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Old 07-21-2013, 10:25 PM   #22456
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That theory seems a little silly to me. By covering your levers you should be able to get on the brake quicker which should bring the panic level down, which should make you less likely to brake too hard, and it will obviously get you stopping quicker which is almost always a good thing. Racing dirt bikes is almost always one big emergency maneuver and I was taught to keep a finger over the front brake at pretty much all times.

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They teach you not to cover it so that you don't grab a massive handful of front brake while trying to bob and weave, thus throwing your bike on the ground.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:45 PM   #22457
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They teach you not to cover it so that you don't grab a massive handful of front brake while trying to bob and weave, thus throwing your bike on the ground.
It happened twice in my class. The first guy had to drop out after crashing his Triumph Speed Triple in a second gear straight-line emergency braking exercise. The bike slid 20 yards and he banged up his elbow. Note the damage to the bar end, slider, and shifter peg.



This one was during the "emergency stop during a turn" exercise. He low sided because he locked up the brakes before standing it upright. Lost a mirror and scratched the fairing.

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Old 07-21-2013, 11:21 PM   #22458
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I still don't understand how having one or two fingers ready to use the brake is going to somehow change how hard a person hits the brake when they are in panic mode. If a person is the type to freak out and grab too much brake I think they'll do it no matter how their hands are on the bars. At least if they get to it quicker they'll have more time and therefore more of a chance to recover from the mistake before they hit something if they can in fact recover at all. Maybe my thinking just from racing and dirt riding but I just always feel that you can never react too quickly.

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Old 07-21-2013, 11:21 PM   #22459
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Sorry for the detour there folks I'll shut up now :

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Old 07-21-2013, 11:40 PM   #22460
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I still don't understand how having one or two fingers ready to use the brake is going to somehow change how hard a person hits the brake when they are in panic mode. If a person is the type to freak out and grab too much brake I think they'll do it no matter how their hands are on the bars. At least if they get to it quicker they'll have more time and therefore more of a chance to recover from the mistake before they hit something if they can in fact recover at all. Maybe my thinking just from racing and dirt riding but I just always feel that you can never react too quickly.

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It's the difference between a panic squeeze and having to consciously move your fingers to the lever. It's a beginners technique taught to beginners.
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:32 AM   #22461
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:33 AM   #22462
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:37 AM   #22463
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It's the difference between a panic squeeze and having to consciously move your fingers to the lever. It's a beginners technique taught to beginners.
2 things. 1) When a newb has the brake covered, they are more likely to squeeze the brakes in a curve if they feel they are going to fast. This is more likely to put them down in the curve. They are taught to do all their braking in a straight line. It is safer that way. 2) When covering the front brake lever, you are less likely to roll off the throttle when applying brakes. So they tend to still be giving it gas when braking. Clutch is in during a quick stop so it does not affect actual braking distance, but the engine noise freaks them out, they let go of the brakes and then reapply which does extend their stopping distance.


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Old 07-22-2013, 05:39 AM   #22465
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:49 AM   #22466
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2 things. 1) When a newb has the brake covered, they are more likely to squeeze the brakes in a curve if they feel they are going to fast. This is more likely to put them down in the curve. They are taught to do all their braking in a straight line. It is safer that way. 2) When covering the front brake lever, you are less likely to roll off the throttle when applying brakes. So they tend to still be giving it gas when braking. Clutch is in during a quick stop so it does not affect actual braking distance, but the engine noise freaks them out, they let go of the brakes and then reapply which does extend their stopping distance.
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I can see this in that a newer rider may very well start pulling on that front brake (say, in a turn they get nervous in) while leaving the throttle in the position it was already in - which means that while the front tire is slowing, the rear tire is pushing... Bang: low-side.
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Old 07-22-2013, 06:05 AM   #22467
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I find the license plate extremely amusing.
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Old 07-22-2013, 06:06 AM   #22468
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I find the license plate extremely amusing.
ROFL! Good catch.

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Old 07-22-2013, 06:25 AM   #22469
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I wonder what that clutch sounds like filled with dirt...? Probably better eh?
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:06 AM   #22470
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"Nah dude, I don't need no frame sliders, they ruin the lines of my beautiful bike... Why do you ask?"
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