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Old 08-22-2013, 06:33 PM   #23566
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I ride with kids a lot. The rules are simple. They have to have a fitting DOT helmet, and be ATGATT. They have textile suits that fit them, and boot/gloves too. This came to be after several rides with them in inadequate gear. I was not comfortable with them wearing ill-fitting gear. So we made a big deal out of going to buy them gear. They loved it! Now they get to suit up like their Uncle and Aunt. They are happy to do it, and it makes us feel better about them riding. All the gear in this photo set me back a whopping $120 at Cycle Gear. That is a small price to pay for the safety of a kid.




And every kid in my family is aware of what an ass whooping is. Putting a kid in proper gear doesn't mean you're a libtard.

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Old 08-22-2013, 06:49 PM   #23567
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Someone should do a study on the correlation between painted of flames and idiotic behavior.


(I am now about to get flamed by every FF with flames on their bike)
yea...but I'm glad you said it. Perhaps as a companion study to the one on chili bowl helmet wearers.
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Old 08-22-2013, 06:50 PM   #23568
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and, all those years of automobiles with metal dashboards, no seatbelts, rumble seats, riding in the rear of pickups, and so on. oh, how did we ever survive!
Well, WE did, obviously. A lot of people didn't. And once you die, you don't use the internet.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:04 PM   #23569
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Well, WE did, obviously. A lot of people didn't. And once you die, you don't use the internet.
if the goal is to eliminate all danger and deaths, let's go back to walking.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:08 PM   #23570
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Well, WE did, obviously. A lot of people didn't. And once you die, you don't use the internet.
Good response to the idiotic post.
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Old 08-22-2013, 07:36 PM   #23571
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Good response to the idiotic post.







The "we" is society. But, I had hoped all the brainiacs could have figured that one out.
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:02 PM   #23572
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We didn't survive quite as well as we do today:


Cool. The dip from less driving during wwII, dip during the gas crisis of 70's. big bump during the muscle car phase of late 60's. maybe a bump after ending that nasty 55 national limit?
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:28 AM   #23573
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Better is fatalities versus (now) 100million passenger vehicle miles traveled. I can only find data back to 1975 so far.

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Old 08-23-2013, 04:21 AM   #23574
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and, all those years of automobiles with metal dashboards, no seatbelts, rumble seats, riding in the rear of pickups, and so on. oh, how did we ever survive!
A lot of people didn't.
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Old 08-23-2013, 05:40 AM   #23575
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WTF does one have to do with the other?

I'll bet you don't think before you open your mouth.
I would try to explain it, but it's not worth my trouble
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Old 08-23-2013, 05:56 AM   #23576
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if the goal is to eliminate all danger and deaths, let's go back to walking.
Do you need help understanding the charts regarding fatalities that were posted?
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:10 AM   #23577
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if the goal is to eliminate all danger and deaths, let's go back to walking.
Because you either eliminate all danger and deaths or none at all, right?
Life is so simple without nuance, I guess.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:28 AM   #23578
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The argument isn't' whether to ride with your kid or not...it's proper safety while doing it.

A child doesn't have the maturity to make the decision to wear protective gear or not. (some adult apparently don;t either).

Children rely on their parents to protect them from harm. The argument about "keeping them locked in the basement is the only way to keep them safe" is ridiculous....it's about managing risk. would you let your kid play on a busy freeway.....probably not....so why is it so unreasonable to buy proper gear for you kid to enjoy the ride safely.

What about these people leaving their kids in hot cars till they die?? well can't protect them from everything....no fault of the parent there.....

As for the child endangerment argument.....in this case I think they would have a case....the kid can't even reach the foot rests....and the helmet isn't even close fitting properly. Doesn't matter how fast when that 900lb bike falls on her.

I'm all for the Government keeping out of my life but when I see crap like this I want to bitch slap the idiot.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:48 AM   #23579
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Better is fatalities versus (now) 100million passenger vehicle miles traveled. I can only find data back to 1975 so far.
Yeah, passenger miles traveled is by far a better normalization metric than population (hell even number of licensed drivers or registered cars would be better).

What is shocking is that even normalized by population, we haven't had a fatality rate this low since around 1918. Today, almost everyone has access to a car, many are daily commuters, freeways are packed with soccer moms doing 80 while on a cell phone, and even minivans have more horsepower than the best of the muscle car era. Even with all that, people are still only dying at the same rate as when cars were a novelty for the rich and didn't amount to much more than a lawnmower engine strapped to a buggy.

We have come a long way with car safety.
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:21 AM   #23580
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Do you need help understanding the charts regarding fatalities that were posted?
Charts are very useful, especially in a motorcycle forum / thread.

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