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Old 08-23-2013, 05:28 AM   #23581
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The argument isn't' whether to ride with your kid or not...it's proper safety while doing it.

A child doesn't have the maturity to make the decision to wear protective gear or not. (some adult apparently don;t either).

Children rely on their parents to protect them from harm. The argument about "keeping them locked in the basement is the only way to keep them safe" is ridiculous....it's about managing risk. would you let your kid play on a busy freeway.....probably not....so why is it so unreasonable to buy proper gear for you kid to enjoy the ride safely.

What about these people leaving their kids in hot cars till they die?? well can't protect them from everything....no fault of the parent there.....

As for the child endangerment argument.....in this case I think they would have a case....the kid can't even reach the foot rests....and the helmet isn't even close fitting properly. Doesn't matter how fast when that 900lb bike falls on her.

I'm all for the Government keeping out of my life but when I see crap like this I want to bitch slap the idiot.
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Old 08-23-2013, 05:48 AM   #23582
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Better is fatalities versus (now) 100million passenger vehicle miles traveled. I can only find data back to 1975 so far.
Yeah, passenger miles traveled is by far a better normalization metric than population (hell even number of licensed drivers or registered cars would be better).

What is shocking is that even normalized by population, we haven't had a fatality rate this low since around 1918. Today, almost everyone has access to a car, many are daily commuters, freeways are packed with soccer moms doing 80 while on a cell phone, and even minivans have more horsepower than the best of the muscle car era. Even with all that, people are still only dying at the same rate as when cars were a novelty for the rich and didn't amount to much more than a lawnmower engine strapped to a buggy.

We have come a long way with car safety.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:21 AM   #23583
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Do you need help understanding the charts regarding fatalities that were posted?
Charts are very useful, especially in a motorcycle forum / thread.

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Old 08-23-2013, 07:26 AM   #23584
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Those charts show fatalities.


I wonder if the accident rate has risen. I bet it has due to reasons you mention.


Also the man in the photo under discussion is probably headed for a heart attack due to obesity. Non-atgatt and overweight is a combination for a shortened life. The kid will probably follow in his footsteps.





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Yeah, passenger miles traveled is by far a better normalization metric than population (hell even number of licensed drivers or registered cars would be better).

What is shocking is that even normalized by population, we haven't had a fatality rate this low since around 1918. Today, almost everyone has access to a car, many are daily commuters, freeways are packed with soccer moms doing 80 while on a cell phone, and even minivans have more horsepower than the best of the muscle car era. Even with all that, people are still only dying at the same rate as when cars were a novelty for the rich and didn't amount to much more than a lawnmower engine strapped to a buggy.

We have come a long way with car safety.
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Old 08-23-2013, 07:35 AM   #23585
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and, all those years of automobiles with metal dashboards, no seatbelts, rumble seats, riding in the rear of pickups, and so on. oh, how did we ever survive!
Oh the fun of dragging your feet in the gravel on country roads, as the the old low geared farm truck poked along at a whole 45 mph. Dad, Dad, stop. Chuck fell off!

Wonder we lived at all.

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Old 08-23-2013, 08:15 AM   #23586
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I don't even have my bike license yet (another reason for you to scold me),
Then STFU.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:15 AM   #23587
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Thanks, my question was more " how does a person who needs a wheelchair hold the bike up when they get on and off the bike into the wheelchair", but I now realise the wheelchair belongs to the rider's partner (the lady from Geelong riding the trike).
Also, not everyone who uses a wheelchair is completely paralyzed from the waist down. My buddy's spinal cord injury disabled his calves and hamstrings, but left his quadriceps fairly functional. He can toss his wheelchair into the back of the pickup truck and then get to the driver's seat while holding onto the truck. Lots of variability when it comes to disabilities.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:54 AM   #23588
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Then STFU.
Sorry, but no

I've been driving a car for 28 years, and seen way too many accidents to feel that it's ok to ride a bike with a kid that way. Also, I haven't seen any forum rules that states that I need a drivers license to port ...
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:22 AM   #23589
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what happened to us?......we used to be warriors.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:35 AM   #23590
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what happened to us?......we used to be warriors.
We still are, only now we have better armor to do battle in.
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Old 08-23-2013, 11:48 AM   #23591
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what happened to us?......we used to be warriors.
We are now internet warriors. It's easy to be bold hiding behind the computer screen.
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Old 08-23-2013, 12:53 PM   #23592
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We still are, only now we have better armor to do battle in.
i was referring to attitude...not apparel....
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:26 PM   #23593
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:52 PM   #23594
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i was referring to attitude...not apparel....
He seemed to be insinuating that those who wanted the best armor available weren't real warriors.

That worked out great for the boxer rebellion and the ghost dancers, but hey maybe gremlin bells will have better mojo...
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:54 PM   #23595
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lock your kids in the basement is the safest thing for them (unless you have radon )....anything else beyond that is risk.
In the basement? Are you kidding me? Basements have stairs. Do you know how many people are injured every year by falling down stairs? Totally irresponsible.
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