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Old 10-24-2013, 09:03 AM   #25021
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agree with you both..

With average or less than average abilities on 60% of the riders coming through a situation like that, a large percentage of them will grab some quick hard brake as a reaction. I think that the LEO's presence at that point does create a hazard that is endangering that large percentage of riders Just IMHO as if that changes anything
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:48 AM   #25022
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maybe he had some donuts and it looked like a nice shady spot to munch...
Doubt he's thinking about him causing motorcycles hitting front brake mid turn
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:25 AM   #25023
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But here's the "funny" part and what it feels like the two of you fail to see in all this. Judging by the preceding seconds before the crash, the guy was NOT riding "out of control". I blame the cop purely from the standpoint that he picked a very dirty place to sit (mid-corner). This guy comes into the turn fine, sees the cop and INSTINCTIVELY hits the breaks which is the cause of this crash. I find that I INSTINCTIVELY hit the breaks everytime I see a cop too. To me this is a simple case of classical conditioning (see Pavlov's dog).

What I still find dirty in all this is the cops intent. If he's there to control speeding, WHY would he sit hidden at the APEX of the turn (slowest point). If he really wanted to control/enforce speeding, he should be positioned at a place whereby he could actually hit a rider with laser/radar before reaching his turn-in point. Please educate me on why this is a good place for a LEO to park unless looking to invoke the response that he got with a bike tucking the front end by touching the brakes?
You're educated enough to know about Pavlov's dog, but unable to differentiate between breaks and brakes?
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:51 AM   #25024
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You're educated enough to know about Pavlov's dog, but unable to differentiate between breaks and brakes?
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:54 AM   #25025
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This guy comes into the turn fine, sees the cop and INSTINCTIVELY hits the breaks which is the cause of this crash. I find that I INSTINCTIVELY hit the breaks everytime I see a cop too.

I go to the throttle.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:07 AM   #25026
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Did you try to put a dog collar on it and go jogging with it on a leash?
Yeah but he kept banging his pecker on the ground...
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:13 AM   #25027
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But here's the "funny" part and what it feels like the two of you fail to see in all this. Judging by the preceding seconds before the crash, the guy was NOT riding "out of control". I blame the cop purely from the standpoint that he picked a very dirty place to sit (mid-corner). This guy comes into the turn fine, sees the cop and INSTINCTIVELY hits the breaks which is the cause of this crash. I find that I INSTINCTIVELY hit the breaks everytime I see a cop too. To me this is a simple case of classical conditioning (see Pavlov's dog).

What I still find dirty in all this is the cops intent. If he's there to control speeding, WHY would he sit hidden at the APEX of the turn (slowest point). If he really wanted to control/enforce speeding, he should be positioned at a place whereby he could actually hit a rider with laser/radar before reaching his turn-in point. Please educate me on why this is a good place for a LEO to park unless looking to invoke the response that he got with a bike tucking the front end by touching the brakes?
funny...ive never seen a cop sitting mid corner during a track day....ride at the edge of your ability/knowledge on the public street..if you go down its your own fault...especially if you panic snatch at the front brake cause you see a cop.
the cop has no obligation to consider what some dumbass will do when they see him. He can park wherever he wants...that's just how it is.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:27 AM   #25028
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Little cool (40 F) this morning but wanted to ride so...



Someone put a North Georgia Motorcycle Club cap on the cross that I put up on 143. Turns out the guy who crashed and died there was a member of that club.



Then on to Deal's Gap and the Dragon where I had a long
UDF (Ural Delay Factor). More cars in the parking lot than bikes.
Not much traffic on the run about half way across.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:49 AM   #25029
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Had a friend just trade in his KTM for a yellow 98 K1200RS.

That thing is an overcomplicated boat of a bike...

He got a "good deal" on it, until he realized how much parts cost and how many things actually needed to be replaced.

On the up side, it's got a nice flat torque curve and is smooth as silk.
I was surprised how close the gears are.
I logged over 150,000 miles between two K1200RS's. Great touring bike and surprising agile for a six hundred pound bike. Rock stead at 160mph indicated.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:14 PM   #25030
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I logged over 150,000 miles between two K1200RS's. Great touring bike and surprising agile for a six hundred pound bike. Rock stead at 160mph indicated.
Yeah, the weight's mostly down low, I threw it into some twisties up on Ceasar's Head with him trying to keep up on my Husky. It took a lot more pushing to get it down than I was used to, though

Of course, that's when it had the front brake master and the steering damper going out.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:28 PM   #25031
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You're educated enough to know about Pavlov's dog, but unable to differentiate between breaks and brakes?
I found that funny myself as I came back now and realized that proofreading would have been a good idea.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:33 PM   #25032
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I go to the throttle.
That sounds dangerous and unlawful.

My one riding buddy has been known to say, "When you see blue, drop two." Me, I'm not into all that, like to keep it at the speed limit and not a bit more.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:39 PM   #25033
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funny...ive never seen a cop sitting mid corner during a track day....ride at the edge of your ability/knowledge on the public street..if you go down its your own fault...especially if you panic snatch at the front brake cause you see a cop.
the cop has no obligation to consider what some dumbass will do when they see him. He can park wherever he wants...that's just how it is.
My preferred riding is on the track as well, and your point is taken as far as when/where one should be pushing it.

That said, I still stand by my assessment that a cop sitting where he is on that video is not looking for anything good. Though you rant on, and state he can park anywhere he wants (which was not being debated), what WAS his point in sitting hidden at the apex? What public service was he hoping to accomplish?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:56 PM   #25034
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My preferred riding is on the track as well, and your point is taken as far as when/where one should be pushing it.

That said, I still stand by my assessment that a cop sitting where he is on that video is not looking for anything good. Though you rant on, and state he can park anywhere he wants (which was not being debated), what WAS his point in sitting hidden at the apex? What public service was he hoping to accomplish?
Catching people crossing the double yellow maybe, like in one of the vids above?

And as in that video, he's not sitting on the apex, it just happens that you see him about the time you apex.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:17 PM   #25035
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Catching people crossing the double yellow maybe, like in one of the vids above?
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+1

That, or he just got done with someone else crossing the yellow up above.
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