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Old 01-02-2014, 08:30 PM   #25936
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Moving 5mph in a blind corner two abreast in a 35mph zone the bike sure as shit can "cause" an accident....
Sorry wrong. It is your responsibility to not out drive your visibility. If you are going so fast that you cannot stop for a slow moving vehicle and crash, you caused that accident, not the slow moving vehicle, be it a truck, tractor or a bicycle.

Like I said before, if a bicycle slows you up on your motorcycle one second just go sell your bike, you shouldn't be on one...
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:32 PM   #25937
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Sorry wrong. It is your responsibility to not out drive your visibility. If you are going so fast that you cannot stop for a slow moving vehicle and crash, you caused that accident, not the slow moving vehicle, be it a truck, tractor or a bicycle.
Believe what you like and I will believe what I like. It is no different than parking a truck in the road on a blind corner. If you can see through mountains you need not fear.

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PS I refuse to continue to debate this dumbass concept.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:59 PM   #25938
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Believe what you like and I will believe what I like. It is no different than parking a truck in the road on a blind corner. If you can see through mountains you need not fear.

Jim

PS I refuse to continue to debate this dumbass concept.
When you rear end a slow moving vehicle, you just go ahead and explain what you "believe" to the officer and your insurance company. I'm sure that will go over well.
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:03 PM   #25939
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I think there's already a thread where this is hashed out, ad nauseum, like, infinity times before...
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:04 PM   #25940
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When you rear end a slow moving vehicle, you just go ahead and explain what you "believe" to the officer and your insurance company. I'm sure that will go over well.
Yeah, because I'm sure you go around the blind corners in the mountains at 15mph all the time, just in case...
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:05 PM   #25941
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I think there's already a thread where this is hashed out, ad nauseum, like, infinity times before...


But some people have a need to be right, damn the logic.

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Old 01-02-2014, 09:31 PM   #25942
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I've been behind bicyclists and other slower moving vehicles on the Dragon and other narrow roads and just wait for the proper place and then pass them.
The situation is more when the cyclist or slow moving vehicles pass by pull overs, take over two lanes and generally don't allow you to safely pass is more the situation I was commenting on where they are part of the problem. Unfortunately around here the slow drivers do that more often then then not.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:47 AM   #25943
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Moving 5mph in a blind corner two abreast in a 35mph zone the bike sure as shit can "cause" an accident. The motorized vehicle has an expectation that other road users are going near the speed limit. Otherwise there would be no one going past 10mph on a curvy road.

That might be OK for some poor drivers, riders, but it is unrealistic to expect everyone to move at the speed of a bicycle. Were the bikes single file and near the outer edge a reasonable driver/rider could easily and safely pass.

Jim
You need to be more aware of what can be around that blind corner and not charge in like a idiot. Fallen tree, rock, gravel, stopped vehicle, oil, etc can be around that blind corner.
Best to be aware and not blame your crash on something or someone else.
You might end up dead right.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:52 AM   #25944
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Too funny... I posted the chicks on bicycles cause I like the view and it degenerates into "ermuhgerd! Thar blockin da lane!!"
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:12 AM   #25945
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I like the view and it degenerates
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Bike lovers, bike haters - please do add your thoughts on page 257 of bikes on the road thread

However - since I'm posting - you dudes who want bikes to have license plates must be in some sort of government jobs creation program. WTF - do I need my 12 year old's bike w/ tag?
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:27 AM   #25946
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He's right; an accident is due to uncontrollable circumstances. The slow moving vehicle may cause a wreck, but I would not call it an accident.
No, the slow moving vehicle cannot cause a wreck.

Only someone overdriving their sight-line or attempting an unsafe pass can cause the wreck.

That doesn't mean the lane blocker isn't a selfish asshole, though.
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:28 AM   #25947
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Moving 5mph in a blind corner two abreast in a 35mph zone the bike sure as shit can "cause" an accident. The motorized vehicle has an expectation that other road users are going near the speed limit. Otherwise there would be no one going past 10mph on a curvy road.

That might be OK for some poor drivers, riders, but it is unrealistic to expect everyone to move at the speed of a bicycle. Were the bikes single file and near the outer edge a reasonable driver/rider could easily and safely pass.

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Too fast for the sight line, 100% the following vehicles fault.
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:47 AM   #25948
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Too fast for the sight line, 100% the following vehicles fault.
So you do go 10-15mph on a twisty road? I'll make sure never to ride with you.

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Old 01-03-2014, 06:56 AM   #25949
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No point in arguing with idiots that are always right.

I agree that there is nothing like riding *THE SPEED LIMIT* around an uphill blind corner, only to encounter a couple bikes in the middle of the lane riding at a walking pace. How hard would it be for them to ride single file along the right edge?

Selfish assholes deserve to get hit. But of course, it would be our fault.
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Old 01-03-2014, 07:01 AM   #25950
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No point in arguing with idiots that are always right.

I agree that there is nothing like riding *THE SPEED LIMIT* around an uphill blind corner, only to encounter a couple bikes in the middle of the lane riding at a walking pace. How hard would it be for them to ride single file along the right edge?

Selfish assholes deserve to get hit. But of course, it would be our fault.
I never said they deserved to get hit, and of course it could be considered my fault, though that may be debatable.

My contention is that driving on any road you have an expectation that other road users will be going at or near the speed limit. Otherwise twisty roads like that would be nothing but crawling along at 10-15mph in fear of a truck/bus/car/bike etc. sitting in the middle of the road.

Can there be a deer/rock slide/broken down car hidden in a blind corner? Of course, driving is a risky thing sometimes.

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