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Old 11-11-2011, 07:04 AM   #3946
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oops, what's the point of spell check if you chose the wrong word. Bystanders is what I meant.
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:08 AM   #3947
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So your telling me if I arrive at a MVA seconds after it has happened(which is when the photo was taken) I should chat with my buddies, having my back turned to a man in severe pain? I am not saying they should have tried to immobilize him but why not attempt to calm him and prevent/delay the shock to set in.
You are ASSuming too much from a still. How do you know that they had not already done that and the guy with his head through the windshield had already acknowledged that and the next ignorant dweeb ran up and said: "Let's get him lifted down off the truck" ... And is now being chastised by the smart one? It looks to me like they are discussing what could and should be done next.

Not saying that is what happened but it is more likely than your scenario.
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:45 AM   #3948
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Wait a second- so rather than administer to one of the three guys hurt, this dude whips out his camera and starts taking pics? There's a rider under a truck here.

This photo belongs in the WTF thread.
Since I know fuck all about how to administer first aid/cpr or what ever the hell was needed at this scene, I imagine most folks would prefer that I shoot photos from afar instead of fucking someone up even more than they are with my hands on skills.
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:52 AM   #3949
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:07 AM   #3950
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There were some links posted that if read would break down the accident scene more accurately.

This happened in Ark. not on the dragon.

Bo was being attended to from folks near the rear of the vehicle. He had a severed artery, and from reading the story, the pressure of the vehicle on top of his injured parts may have actually saved him from bleeding out on the scene.

The photog was with the group. And as can be seen there are enough “responders” working the scene already. It was worded that he try and document as much as possible for all parties involved.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:18 AM   #3951
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Since I know fuck all about how to administer first aid/cpr or what ever the hell was needed at this scene, I imagine most folks would prefer that I shoot photos from afar instead of fucking someone up even more than they are with my hands on skills.
Boy, that looks horrific.
I don't know anything about what happened or what lead up to this wreck. But at first blush, if 3 bikes are down at the same scene, it looks like someone didn't plan on contingency. It's one main reason I avoid group rides. Everyone likes to ride way too close for my comfort, leaving no room to think for myself and ride my own ride.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:42 AM   #3952
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Absolutely NOT, in a multiple victim accident where there are limited first aid resources, the FIRST thing you do is evaluate all the victims and put your efforts where they have the chance to do the most good. No sense on starting CPR on someone who may not revive, when you have someone bleeding severely and going into shock. The 2nd may be saveable.

A mass casualty is when ever victims exceed personal, so it can be as few as 2 victims, and the FIRST thing you do is quickly evaluate all victims, and help those that can be helped, that MIGHT mean letting someone die, if you feel your efforts have a better chance of saving another. YUP, EMS personal sometimes have to decide who will die.
In the military, triage in a mass casualty situation means separating patients into 3 groups: 1) Those who can wait for treatment. 2) Those who need immediate treatment to survive. 3) Those who won't make it no matter what is done.

Group 3 patients are just set aside.
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:10 AM   #3953
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Wait a second- so rather than administer to one of the three guys hurt, this dude whips out his camera and starts taking pics? There's a rider under a truck here.

This photo belongs in the WTF thread.

That's an instant in time,maybe 1/250th of a second. There are several people in movement during that instant. Give them some credit. Perhaps they have not yet figured out the guy is pinned under the truck. A big incident like that is confusing as hell and surely it happened quickly.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:16 AM   #3954
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Since I know fuck all about how to administer first aid/cpr or what ever the hell was needed at this scene, I imagine most folks would prefer that I shoot photos from afar instead of fucking someone up even more than they are with my hands on skills.
Sorry dude but I still say shame on you. Even if you don't know CPR, calling 911, simply talking and trying calming a bud down, etc would be much more productive in my mind.

Going to the aide of a mate in trouble jumps to my mind way before take a picture for posterity.

We can agree to disagree. I would highly recommend you and your guys take a basic first aid or CPR course.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:24 AM   #3955
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I would highly recommend everyone take a basic first aid or CPR course.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:41 AM   #3956
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Sorry dude but I still say shame on you. Even if you don't know CPR, calling 911, simply talking and trying calming a bud down, etc would be much more productive in my mind.

Going to the aide of a mate in trouble jumps to my mind way before take a picture for posterity.

We can agree to disagree. I would highly recommend you and your guys take a basic first aid or CPR course.
There's often a point where what you can do to help is take pictures. It's not just some frivolous glamour shot "for posterity", it's about documenting the accident. It could be the difference for your friend in court.

At an accident, you need to secure the scene first, and then see about aiding people. Securing the scene means, among other things, that you assess who's there, who is in need and, and what you can do to help. It's not that much of a stretch to imagine a situation where the best thing for YOU to do is take photos.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:44 AM   #3957
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There's often a point where what you can do to help is take pictures. It's not just some frivolous glamour shot "for posterity", it's about documenting the accident. It could be the difference for your friend in court.

At an accident, you need to secure the scene first, and then see about aiding people. Securing the scene means, among other things, that you assess who's there, who is in need and, and what you can do to help. It's not that much of a stretch to imagine a situation where the best thing for YOU to do is take photos.
This is exactly true. An incompetent responder can easily do more harm than good.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:45 AM   #3958
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Sorry dude but I still say shame on you. Even if you don't know CPR, calling 911, simply talking and trying calming a bud down, etc would be much more productive in my mind.

Going to the aide of a mate in trouble jumps to my mind way before take a picture for posterity.

We can agree to disagree. I would highly recommend you and your guys take a basic first aid or CPR course.
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Luckily the other riders knew enough not to move ANYONE, so they left
Bo under the truck, and Jason on the hood. Bo might lose his right arm;
the doctors haven't decided yet. Jason was conscious the whole time,
but understood not to move. Good thing. He's got a fractured C7
vertabra (I think the same thing that happened to Christopeher Reeves).


Can't you hear the lawyers?.... So in your expert opinion doctor my clients Bo and Jason would not be quadriplegics today had Mr.Boonbooni left them alone?

You've heard the testimony today that Mr Boonbooni's experience in CPR and First on Scene care is:
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Since I know fuck all about how to administer first aid/cpr or what ever the hell was needed at this scene.
Boon Booni is correct to be careful in our litigious society. The picture probably helps more so he does what he thinks will help, takes a picture.

I came across an accident once. A 27 year old girl was ejected from a pickup. She was on the ground screaming her ass off. Friends of hers were holding her down, blood was coming from her mouth. Her husband had a gash 4" long above his ear. A puppy was dying next to the girl and another dog was wedged under the seat. I suggested the husband take it easy and not walk around. He asked me to help free the wedged dog. I did free the dog, handed it to him and it took off like the devil was chasing him. I went after the dog but never found it. I got back to the scene and the GHP was on scene as was a helicopter. The puppy was dead. The GHP officer was rude to me and told me to GTFO.

If they are breathing, not bleeding and conscious it's better to wait for the experts IMO. Doctors and EMTs don't care if you are comfortable or in pain unless the pain tells them something. Airway Bleeding and Circulation.
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:53 AM   #3959
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Securing the scene includes directing traffic to avoid more mayhem.

Good Samaritan laws generally protect anyone helping the injured. The laws vary by jurisdiction, but "The responder is not legally liable for the death, disfigurement or disability of the victim as long as the responder acted rationally, in good faith and in accordance with their level of training" is a general rule.
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:39 PM   #3960
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Now that we have gotten a little more background on the situation, I can't fault him for taking photos.

The pain from your injuries is nothing compared to the pains in your ass you'll get later when all of the legal hits the fan.

Check out the "Run over by a lawnmower" thread, and he was barely hurt.
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