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Old 04-30-2009, 11:01 PM   #16
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wonder if your break-in procedure had anything to do with it...you got a lot of bizarre responses when you started that thread
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:07 PM   #17
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I never went over 5,000 RPM's until 600 miles. Varied the throttle opening and RPM's as much as possible. By the book.
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:04 AM   #18
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Old 05-01-2009, 01:25 AM   #19
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I've got new engine, after first failed apart after 9000 km. Maybe cluch was made in china? Good luck.
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:44 AM   #20
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Maybe cluch was made in china?
Or Detroit?

F the Fn F, Griz. Hope they set you right.

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Old 05-01-2009, 07:56 AM   #21
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Again, thanks, guys. This is a trying time for me!
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:20 AM   #22
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Just called the dealer. Told them whatever it takes, this thing better come back to me like new. I'm going to ask them for a loaner bike too. Maybe a R12GS.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:43 AM   #23
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Your state probably has a Lemon Law so keep copious written notes and documentation of everything including conversations and phone calls. Should anything else arise related to this in the future, even way down the road and you can document it all you'll have a better chance at winning. Make sure you express your concerns NOW about the longevity of the engine IN WRITING. You don't have to be an ass about about it, just "thank you for your attention and my concerns are VAGUE DESCRIPTION THAT CAN BE INTERPRETED TO BE INCLUSIVE OF OTHER SYMPTOMS OR PARTS.

Again, a lot depends on your state's lemon laws but most are pretty good in favor of the consumer IF you follow the process to the letter.

I had to use the lemon law on a 2000 Suburban in when I lived in Florida related to the rear differential going out three times in 5000 miles. Florida has excellent lemon laws but there is a specific process and you need written documentation.

The process took over five months to resolve but when it was over GM had to pay us 100% the cost of the vehicle, all the costs of breakdown, towing, lodging, food during the out of town breakdowns, PLUS the cost of renting another SUV for five months since after the third breakdown I would not accept the car back. The manufacturers try to sweat you out figuring few people can afford to be without or rent a car for 5-6 months. Plus they want to get the vehicle back in your possession to show later that they fixed it and you've been driving all along with no problems. They (GM) took it all the way to a formal face-to-face arbitration but I was well if not overly documented and won.

The point is to educate yourself now to your states Lemon Laws so that you have not missed something three years from now when and if you need it. By sending a written letter to the dealer AND manufacturer of your concerns now you effectively start the process and the clock ticking. No need to mention Lemon Laws now, just your long-term concerns. Make sure you've included that you rely on the vehicle but want them to keep it to make sure they've had adequate time for the repair and all-important testing afterward, not just a spin around the block.

Something else you might request is an oil and oil filter change within 600 miles of the repair.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:46 AM   #24
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Just called the dealer. Told them whatever it takes, this thing better come back to me like new. I'm going to ask them for a loaner bike too. Maybe a R12GS.
If they give you a 12GS you probably won't want your F8 back.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:47 AM   #25
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Just called the dealer. Told them whatever it takes, this thing better come back to me like new. I'm going to ask them for a loaner bike too. Maybe a R12GS.

Hey Grizzly,

Did you have any indication there might be trouble, ie funny noises, rattles,
clutch slip, etc.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:55 AM   #26
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Best of luck to you -- not ideal!
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Old 05-01-2009, 10:11 AM   #27
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If they give you a 12GS you probably won't want your F8 back.
You always seem to have a good point tmex!
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Old 05-01-2009, 10:17 AM   #28
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Hey Grizzly,

Did you have any indication there might be trouble, ie funny noises, rattles,
clutch slip, etc.
To be be completely honest:

From the point that I picked the bike up from the dealer up until now I've always heard a bit of "quiet rattling" from the left/clutch side of the bike. Didn't concern me at all, since motors are motors. They make noise. However, the "rattling" sound would always get a tad bit louder when I put the bike in neutral and let the clutch out. Still didn't worry me. Just kept riding it.... and now all of the sudden this.

The ironic thing is that while I was riding it, five minutes or so before the breakdown I was thinking to myself, "I wonder if I should have the dealer open up the motor and check torque on the clutch assembly fasteners?" This thought had been eating at me ever since I saw the pictures of that clutch blowout on that F650GS Twin.... I'm kind of kicking myself that I didn't have them check it out when it was in for the 600 mile service.
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Old 05-01-2009, 02:03 PM   #29
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Ahhhh..... Still no word from the dealer!
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Old 05-01-2009, 02:55 PM   #30
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Just heard from the dealer. So here's the skinny. A clutch spring bolt (#19, top pic) backed out and tore up the inside of the clutch cover (#2, bottom pic). This inturn created little shards and chunks of metal to float around in the lower engine cavity. Due to good Austrian engine design, those pieces of metal didn't make it anywhere else in the engine. There are metal screens that pre-filter the oil between each of the engine cavities, filtering the oil before it moves to the next engine cavity. According to the BMW tech, the little pieces of metal that were in the bottom engine cavity did a lot of damage to the clutch cover, and a small amount of damage to some other things. All of the parts are on order what were damaged. I should be back to new and good to go in less than a week, if all the necessary parts are available in the States.

So all in all, thank the creator for those oil screens!



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