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Old 05-28-2009, 01:25 PM   #1
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A De lightful question!

When you mount a sidecar with a tug, and add right turn signals to the sidecar, what do you do about the right turn signals on the tug?

1. Leave the right turn signals on the tug operable and have two sets of right turn signals on the rig?
2. Disconnect or remove the bulb from the tugs right hand turn signals and use the sidecar signals as the working signals for the rig?
3 Are there any other options?

A second question popped up: Do you simply tap into the existing wires on the tug or get something called a "relay"(not sure yet, still studying that) ?

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Old 05-28-2009, 01:27 PM   #2
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Removed the turnsignals from the bike and just use the signals on the tub.
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:56 PM   #3
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When you mount a sidecar with a tug, and add right turn signals to the sidecar, what do you do about the right turn signals on the tug?

1. Leave the right turn signals on the tug operable and have two sets of right turn signals on the rig?
2. Disconnect or remove the bulb from the tugs right hand turn signals and use the sidecar signals as the working signals for the rig?
3 Are there any other options?

A second question popped up: Do you simply tap into the existing wires on the tug or get something called a "relay"(not sure yet, still studying that) ?
I usually disconect the right turn signals but leave them installed. That way I have spare bulbs available on the bike.

In Oregon this is technically illegal as all installed lights on the vehicle are mandated to be functional. I have yet to have this be an issue.
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:22 PM   #4
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I'd take 'em off cause I'm just anal like that. But I'd never EVER throw 'em out GODS NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-28-2009, 06:49 PM   #5
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Old 05-29-2009, 03:19 AM   #6
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Old 05-29-2009, 03:56 AM   #7
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I usually disconect the right turn signals but leave them installed. That way I have spare bulbs available on the bike.

In Oregon this is technically illegal as all installed lights on the vehicle are mandated to be functional. I have yet to have this be an issue.
Same rule in the UK (but it's the left one we take off). You either take off the "middle" indicator or replace the lens with some sort of solid cover such as a metal disc or painted lens.

I've seen the "middle rear" converted into a fog light, but this struck me as illegal due to the high position and a lot of work to get a red lens, upgrade the cables to take a 21W lamp etc. It was a Harley though, so I'm guessing the owner was into neatness and clean lines.

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Old 05-29-2009, 06:17 AM   #8
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When you mount a sidecar with a tug, and add right turn signals to the sidecar, what do you do about the right turn signals on the tug?

1. Leave the right turn signals on the tug operable and have two sets of right turn signals on the rig?
2. Disconnect or remove the bulb from the tugs right hand turn signals and use the sidecar signals as the working signals for the rig?
3 Are there any other options?

A second question popped up: Do you simply tap into the existing wires on the tug or get something called a "relay"(not sure yet, still studying that) ?
I would choose option 2, also for esthetic reasons. But, as allready said, in some states and countries, that isn’t allowed. On a naked bike not really a problem to take the indicators off on one side, but when you have built-in indicators in your fairing, it looks pretty goofy, when you have to paint the indicators or use tape to cover them. (You see that sometimes in Germany).

Very often, the sidecar doesn’t have the same bulbs (less Watts) as the bike. This can cause the indicator lights of the chair to go in a double frequency. Either you try to get the same bulbs (with the correct wattage) on the sidecar (sometimes difficult to get heavier bulbs for the same fitting, but they most of the time exist) or you use a resistor (which can get hot sometimes though).

The most easy thing to do then, is to get a indicator relay, that is not effected by the power usage. Most motorcycle shops have them between 15 and 50 bucks.

When you still have to choose new indicators (as in your case, I suppose) get them with the same fitting as the indicators on the bike.

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Old 05-29-2009, 07:53 AM   #9
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Very often, the sidecar doesn’t have the same bulbs (less Watts) as the bike. This can cause the indicator lights of the chair to go in a double frequency. Either you try to get the same bulbs (with the correct wattage) on the sidecar (sometimes difficult to get heavier bulbs for the same fitting, but they most of the time exist) or you use a resistor (which can get hot sometimes though). [/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]

The most easy thing to do then, is to get a indicator relay, that is not effected by the power usage. Most motorcycle shops have them between 15 and 50 bucks.
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Actually, in that case the easiest thing to do is to paint the unused indicater lamp black and leave it in circuit. Yeah, I do get lazy Someday I will correct the wiring on the KLR Sputnik rig, but blackout paint works for now!
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:25 AM   #10
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If you really wanna be cheap you could take the signal lights off the bike and put them on the hack. Solves 2 problems at once and doesn't cost anything but a little sweat. Plus they'll match
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Old 05-29-2009, 08:31 AM   #11
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If you really wanna be cheap you could take the signal lights off the bike and put them on the hack. Solves 2 problems at once and doesn't cost anything but a little sweat. Plus they'll match

in my case it isn't cheap so much as pressed for time. Maintenence for the fleet I use for classes is keeping me way too busy! I usually don't bother wiring the hacks at all, but the sputnik came with lights so i went ahead and hooked them up.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:20 AM   #12
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in my case it isn't cheap so much as pressed for time. Maintenence for the fleet I use for classes is keeping me way too busy! I usually don't bother wiring the hacks at all, but the sputnik came with lights so i went ahead and hooked them up.
Well it would be illegal not to hook them up. After all, Big Muther (Big Brother was the good ol' days) says that if it's on there it has to work. So I guess you either rip it off or hook it up, whichever is less work.

I usually keep a horn and a set of signal lights made up for temporay use. They have simple clamp-on switches and alligator clips on the wires. I just put them on to get an inspection and then take them off. I've never gotten a ticket on any bike for not having them. If you look at pics of my bikes that I've posted you'll notice none of them have signals. I just use hand signals if there's any other vehicles around.
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Old 05-29-2009, 09:27 AM   #13
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Handy signaling!

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Well it would be illegal not to hook them up. After all, Big Muther (Big Brother was the good ol' days) says that if it's on there it has to work. So I guess you either rip it off or hook it up, whichever is less work.

I usually keep a horn and a set of signal lights made up for temporay use. They have simple clamp-on switches and alligator clips on the wires. I just put them on to get an inspection and then take them off. I've never gotten a ticket on any bike for not having them. If you look at pics of my bikes that I've posted you'll notice none of them have signals. I just use hand signals if there's any other vehicles around.
Here's one of my wife's favorite signals..... when in the sidecar, of course!!!!!
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:57 PM   #14
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With the newer BMW's you have to keep a functional bulb in all of the bike's signals or you will get an error in the CANbus system.

On "Clifford" my big red R1200RT rig, I have not yet done anything to try to cover up the right hand signals on the bike.

With over 6,000 miles on the rig now, and a recent 2,800+ mile trip in 11 states, I have not been given any grief from the police yet for having two right turn signals flashing...

Just another data point...
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Old 06-02-2009, 08:08 AM   #15
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Laugh

I wouldn't be bothered by the opinion of the police. I would wonder how a usualy blind car driver reacts to a configuration of 1 headlamp with two blinking turn signals on the right hand side approaching him.

to keep it as clear as possible i've removed the bulbs from my rh blinkers.
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