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Old 12-07-2012, 07:10 AM   #7501
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^^ This

There's something about a dog-eared rumpled bit of paper with drawn and scribbled out pencil lines, highlighter, and which becomes impossible to fold back the exact way that it came and eventually simply falls apart (but still works).

...which reminds me that I still need to find a tank bag that I like, with a full sized map pocket (fewer stops required for "updates").
Mark, I find the tank bag map pouce should allow me to see about 160 miles....that way I know where the next PEE Break Is.....
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:22 AM   #7502
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...which reminds me that I still need to find a tank bag that I like, with a full sized map pocket (fewer stops required for "updates").
As a (possibly frugal) KLR owner, you oughta know about THIS one (as long as you don't mind buying it across the border where it is 30% cheaper than in Canada)

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Classic-Ac...k-Bag/10802876

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Old 12-07-2012, 07:24 AM   #7503
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Unfortunately cannot make Kingshead ADVLunch today. Have fun all.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:34 AM   #7504
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There is a balance between a GPS and a regular map on a tank bag. The biggest warning with both is getting distracted while driving.

Distracted driving is so easy these days and can be catastrophic on a motorcycle. One quick look down at a map trying to figure your next turn can have grave consequences.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:46 AM   #7505
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Mark, I find the tank bag map pouch should allow me to see about 160 miles....that way I know where the next PEE Break Is.....
Hmmm... Unless you smoke along at 80 MPH (130 KPH), that's going to be too far between pee breaks for this boy. Certainly doable on the US interstates, but there'll be hefty fines in most of Canada with those speeds.

Guess I'll have to get a colostomy bag when I ride with you.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:02 AM   #7506
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Hmmm... Unless you smoke along at 80 MPH (130 KPH), that's going to be too far between pee breaks for this boy. Certainly doable on the US interstates, but there'll be hefty fines in most of Canada with those speeds.

Guess I'll have to get a colostomy bag when I ride with you.
Let me clarify.... 160miles of map view, gives one a chance to plan on out pee breaks... ( for those of you who are constantly sipping from a pot of coffee hanging from the handle bars )
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:10 AM   #7507
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Let me clarify.... 160miles of map view, gives one a chance to plan on out pee breaks... ( for those of you who are constantly sipping from a pot of coffee hanging from the handle bars )
Touchy. Err, I mean touche'.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:49 AM   #7508
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brrrrr.....

Can anyone here hook me up with an inmate or two who live near Churchill, Man?

Not lookin for a date, more of a winter travel infrastructure question.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:27 AM   #7509
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I have another question for all of you.

I'd like to switch out my stock KLR rear brake bulb with a cluster LED one which is a million times brighter. I've had one guy tell me that's illegal. is this true?

And I also want to switch out the 4 signal light housings with something less ugly and again, with LEDs to make em brighter.

I have no idea where to look to find out what is/isn't illegal.

Heeeeeeelp!
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:04 PM   #7510
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I have another question for all of you.

I'd like to switch out my stock KLR rear brake bulb with a cluster LED one which is a million times brighter. I've had one guy tell me that's illegal. is this true?

And I also want to switch out the 4 signal light housings with something less ugly and again, with LEDs to make em brighter.

I have no idea where to look to find out what is/isn't illegal.

Heeeeeeelp!
I put one in my KLR that I got from Happy Trails. I tried getting one from Dual Sport but their supplier dried up.
As for legal, if it lights up when it's supposed to that's good enough for me.

Mine flashes two or three times before going solid to help warn people a bit more.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:24 PM   #7511
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Well let's see now -

transport canada says this:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/acts-regulat...sch-iv-108.htm

"Lighting System and Retroreflective Devices (Standard 108) General

108. (1) Every passenger car, multi-purpose passenger vehicle, truck, bus, motorcycle and trailer shall be equipped with the lamps, retroreflective devices and associated equipment required by Technical Standards Document No. 108, Lamps, Reflective Devices and Associated Equipment (TSD 108), as amended from time to time"

Leads to -

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/s...rev4_e-688.htm

TSD No. 108, Lamps, Reflective Devices, and Associated Equipment

which says

"S5.1.1 Except as provided in succeeding paragraphs of this S5.1.1, each vehicle shall be equipped with at least the number of lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment specified in Tables I and III and S7, as applicable. Required equipment shall be designed to conform to the SAE Standards or Recommended Practices referenced in those tables. Table I applies to multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, trailers, and buses 2.05 m or more (80 or more inches) in overall width. Table III applies to passenger cars and motorcycles and to multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, trailers, and buses less than 2.05 m (80 inches) in overall width."

Table III looks like this

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/s...tm#Table%20III

Significant part is stop lamps -

TABLE III: REQUIRED MOTOR VEHICLE LIGHTING EQUIPMENT

All Passenger Cars and Motorcycles, and Multipurpose Passenger Vehicles, Trucks, Buses and Trailers of Less Than 2.05 m (80 inches) Overall Width

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Passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, and buses

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Tail lamps
2 red
2 red
1 red
J585e, September 1977.
Stop lamps
2 red
2 red
1 red
SAE J586, February 1984.

So you need 1 red tail lamp and 1 red stop lamp meeting SAE J585e and SAE J586 respectively. And THAT got hard for my Google-fu to dig up and passed the limits of my attention span.

So a good question to ask your lamp supplier might be "Does your LED replacement bulb meet standards SAE J585e and J586, as required by S5.1.1 of Technical Standards Document 108 referred to in Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations C.R.C.c.1038"?

Or, you could just install nice bright reliable LED replacement bulbs and trust that the friendly RCMP officer can't understand any of this gobbledygook either.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:30 PM   #7512
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Wow. That actually helps out quite a bit. Thank you!
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:35 PM   #7513
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he he That was actually pretty tongue in cheek just to point out how hard a question 'what is legal' really is.

If I thought a replacement bulb was brighter and would be safer I'd install it in a second and take it out if I got a ticket. Look at all the crazy blue headlights out there - I think automotive lights are not the highest priority for enforcement!

ps - any action on your Trekker bags?
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:42 PM   #7514
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he he That was actually pretty tongue in cheek just to point out how hard a question 'what is legal' really is.

If I thought a replacement bulb was brighter and would be safer I'd install it in a second and take it out if I got a ticket. Look at all the crazy blue headlights out there - I think automotive lights are not the highest priority for enforcement!

ps - any action on your Trekker bags?

I agree. I just want really bright lights on my bike. Maybe add some reflective tape.

And yes! this guy Jill or Gill is supposed to come down and look at em on monday. And every other day I get an email asking about them. They go for like over 1000$ w/racks brand new so I'm asking 850. Does that seem fair?
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:43 PM   #7515
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Um...all that stuff MacNoob said was on the tip of my tongue.
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