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Old 12-17-2012, 04:11 PM   #7636
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Good to know. I think it's a good move, especially to hopefully ensure max life out of the newly bored/honed cylinder and that 685 kit.

A word about getting the machining for a 685 or 705 kit ... or any oversize piston for that matter done - I just got back from picking up the cylinder from Outboard Rebore. They'd given me an estimate of $160 to $170 for total cost, and they charged me $291.20 (including taxes). I'm just shocked by this. I spoke to the boss there (Ray), and he said that it took the machinist 3 hours, and that's what I get billed, regardless of the quote or estimate! The work they did looks good, and it looks like they resurfaced the top deck of the cylinder too, but to be honest, this machining cost me twice what I'd figured it'd cost me. Can't say I'd be in a hurry to go back there because of that. I understand that decent quality boring and honing equipment must set a guy back lots ($10 to $20K?)... and they gotta pay for it somehow. Anyone know some other top quality machine shops in the city that do really good work for a fair price?
Told you where to go and what to do.
The rest is on you.
Cheers, Brian

PS. If the "machining" on the deck is anything like I had,...
be prepared for a lot of grief.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:29 PM   #7637
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Told you where to go and what to do.
The rest is on you.
Cheers, Brian

PS. If the "machining" on the deck is anything like I had,...
be prepared for a lot of grief.
Hey, this is one of the two places you recommended, right? No biggie Brian... this has zip to do with you. I could have gone anywhere. I suspect the deal with this place is that they do a lot of big buck work on inboards and outboards, and little jobs like this are (in their mind) almost like doing us a favour (chump change to them). They don't even have a sign out front; i.e. they get all the business they can handle without it. I'm sure they have happy customers - they're just not cheap! Hope I got what I paid for... i.e. I hope it's precision.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:47 PM   #7638
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:56 PM   #7639
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Hey, this is one of the two places you recommended, right? No biggie Brian... this has zip to do with you. I could have gone anywhere. I suspect the deal with this place is that they do a lot of big buck work on inboards and outboards, and little jobs like this are (in their mind) almost like doing us a favour (chump change to them). They don't even have a sign out front; i.e. they get all the business they can handle without it. I'm sure they have happy customers - they're just not cheap! Hope I got what I paid for... i.e. I hope it's precision.
I cautioned you "Exactly" what to have done.
And why.
You chose to do other things.
This does not come back on me.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:05 PM   #7640
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Must have added a few zeros by mistake.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:13 PM   #7641
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I cautioned you "Exactly" what to have done.
And why.
You chose to do other things.
This does not come back on me.
B.
I don't understand Brian. I've already said this has zip to do with you and I could have taken this anywhere. This is a big city with lots of machine shops. Personally I wouldn't be adverse to driving to places like Steinbach, Winkler, etc to get a top quality job at a reasonable price... reasonable being the key word there. For all we know Brian, the prices Outboard Rebore charges isn't out of line - they're charging $85/hr... not untypical shop rates for mechanical work, right. I'll say this - I don't mind paying a little more for top quality work, and for all we know right now the work they did may be actually top notch. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise. I just didn't care for them not respecting the quote or estimate they gave me.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:22 PM   #7642
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That seemed like a bit much to do the job. But once you get the motor back running you will forget all about the extra cost with all that extra performance. The Thermo-Bob just keeps the coolant the same temp through out the engine. Oh and I have marked down the lunch in Wpg on the 30th and will try to make it
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:36 PM   #7643
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Eek!

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... I just didn't care for them not respecting the quote or estimate they gave me.
My experience with them... is they don't listen to instructions.
You cannot push through on a KLR (or like) big bore cylinder without paying attention to the heat it creates while boring.
They don't.
Additionally, the method they use to "deck" the cylinder is terrible, in that it leaves the surface crowned.
I would not recommend them without the caveat I gave you earlier:
-.010 under, Rick does the cleanup. And the additional caveat to not let them "deck" the cylinder.
Cheers, Brian

PS. I hope it all works out.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:20 PM   #7644
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My experience with them... is they don't listen to instructions.
You cannot push through on a KLR (or like) big bore cylinder without paying attention to the heat it creates while boring.
They don't.
Additionally, the method they use to "deck" the cylinder is terrible, in that it leaves the surface crowned.
I would not recommend them without the caveat I gave you earlier:
-.010 under, Rick does the cleanup. And the additional caveat to not let them "deck" the cylinder.
Cheers, Brian

PS. I hope it all works out.
I hear you. Pretty strong personality Ray has. Brian, this guy was seriously offended when I suggested stopping 10 thou under final in order that someone else could finish hone it. That's pretty much why I pushed thru with letting them do it all. I didn't ask to get the top resurfaced... but I got it, and obviously was charged for it too (an extra hours labour by the looks of things). IMO there was nothing wrong with the top surface of the cylinder; i.e. no significant marks that would have affected head gasket sealing. My intent in posting this story was just to relate what happened in order that we can all learn from it.

The KLR piston is close in size to a Harley big twin (1340) piston - I wonder where the Harley crowd in the city takes their cylinders for machining?
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:42 AM   #7645
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Try this one. (sound down if kiddies around due to scared rider f bombs.)

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Old 12-18-2012, 02:41 PM   #7646
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:47 PM   #7647
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Interesting RR northern Europe/Scandinavia loop

Stumbled across this great ride report written by a young German couple travelling 2 up on a KLR... an '87 no less (and I thought I had an oldie). They are from Karlsruhe where Mrs GWN is from! Great video and excellent pics. If you click on the pics, it takes you to their Flickr account where you can view them larger. This RR gives you a real good sense of what travelling in Europe is like nowadays (a bit expensive but worth it IMO). http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=840733
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:47 PM   #7648
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All I need is another ride report. I already have a few on the go that I keep getting mixed up in my senior mind ha ha.

This one looks interesting and not that long so will give it a look tonight. One of our plans when my wife retires is to tour Europe. Not sure if it will be on a bike but really want to do it one way or another. Thinking of renting an apartment on the south coast of Spain or Portugal and touring from there.

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Stumbled across this great ride report written by a young German couple travelling 2 up on a KLR... an '87 no less (and I thought I had an oldie). They are from Karlsruhe where Mrs GWN is from! Great video and excellent pics. If you click on the pics, it takes you to their Flickr account where you can view them larger. This RR gives you a real good sense of what travelling in Europe is like nowadays (a bit expensive but worth it IMO). http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=840733
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:38 PM   #7649
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Went through it and watched the video. They seemed to have a lot of fun together. It did sound on the expensive side.

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Stumbled across this great ride report written by a young German couple travelling 2 up on a KLR... an '87 no less (and I thought I had an oldie). They are from Karlsruhe where Mrs GWN is from! Great video and excellent pics. If you click on the pics, it takes you to their Flickr account where you can view them larger. This RR gives you a real good sense of what travelling in Europe is like nowadays (a bit expensive but worth it IMO). http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=840733
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:30 PM   #7650
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I have been reading some Euro ride reports as well. I have a map of Europe that I reference to and see where the routes are.

I dug this website up also :

http://www.bestbikingroads.com/world...ing.php?code=1

Sometime (soon) I plan to get a bike over to Europe and leave it there in storage for riding seasonally. All the stars are finally lining up for some great riding over the next while 2013 and beyond.
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