Your opinion...6.7 Cummins or 6.7 Powerstroke (Scorpion)?...and why?

WARRIORPRINCEJJ · 05-13-2013, 10:42 PM

Gentlemen,

First, let me apologize for another truck/diesel thread. I've searched ADV, and read quite a few of the threads that I've found. Unfortunately, many are general, and do not specifically address just these two motors.

In addition, many threads turn-into leg-humping-fests for the 5.9 Cummins and the 7.3 Powerstroke. I've owned and worked both, and already have established opinions.

So, for the purposes of this thread, pretend you just met a guy who is about to purchase one of these two heavy-lights (brand new), within the next five minutes, and would like to know which one you would buy, if you were in his place...and why.

Three things to consider...

1. There will be no DPF-deletes, no dirty tunes, etc. This "Fantasy Land" truck will remain stock.

2. This truck may wind-up being a "five-quarter" (4500 or 450). So, since the OEM tunes are different, for the bigger trucks, please include any pros or cons that you wish.

3. The buyer hauls ass, everywhere and all the time. (*I put this because ALL trucks tow well at 60-65 MPH. 75-80 separates the men from the boys.)

Thanks in advance.

*If you despise me, from JM (or anywhere else on this site), that's okay. This thread is about the trucks, not me. So, I would still appreciate your opinion.

.

Lafitte · 05-14-2013, 05:28 AM

I have this rig. Live on the road full time for past year.
Cummins is the real deal , has tow/haul mode for tranny AND Exhaust Brake.
Don't tow over 60mph though , due to trailer tire rating. Truck would certainly tow much faster. Truck is Ram 2500 Crew Cab 8' Box , all bone stock (100K warranty). If needed I can add extra leaf springs to increase load capacity .

DC2wheels · 05-14-2013, 05:40 AM

Latest issue of Trailer Life has a small news piece that the 2014 Dodge 3500 Cummins is rated to tow 30,000#. That is NOT counting the weight of the truck itself.

850 ft/lbs of torque.

Proven engine design. Only diesel that can be bought with a manual trans.

imho, Ford has produced a few lemon engines after the 7.3.

Gummee! · 05-14-2013, 06:17 AM

Having driven neither, I'd go Dodge. Ford keeps experimenting with engines.

M

CodeMonkee · 05-14-2013, 06:27 AM

IMO Ford makes a better truck overall, but Dodge puts a better diesel in their diesel trucks than Ford and makes an okay truck.

If the deciding factor is which diesel is better, then get the one with the Cummins.

That said, you can get an F650 with a Cummins

DakarNick · 05-14-2013, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeMonkee

That said, you can get an F650 with a Cummins

But NOT the Ford 6.7. That has to say something

tslewisz · 05-14-2013, 06:58 AM

Since I'm content w/ my '05 Dodge, I haven't done any meaningful research on the subject, however, I'll be watching this topic.

And, of course, I look forward to the follow-up oil thread.

superdutyGS · 05-14-2013, 07:17 AM

they are both good engines. I have the 2012 F250 with the 6.7 liter diesel and i love it. Getting terrific mpg as well. The cummins is fantastic and the guy I hunt with has it in a 2010 one ton dually Dodge. The front suspension has been maintenance nightmare on his Dodge. he doesn't abuse or work the truck hard, tows a camper only and it isn't heavy.
I think both engines are fantastic but the rest of the truck the Ford has the better truck for ME....just my opinion. Check residual values and the Ford may beat the Dodge in a couple years with the 6.7. ford's 6.0 and 6.4 that was not the case at all.

perterra · 05-14-2013, 07:22 AM

What cha doin Vato, pickin up some work doin repo's

Carlo Muro · 05-14-2013, 02:37 PM

why the apologies OP? I like these threads

DakarNick · 05-14-2013, 02:50 PM

This should be a pole

Hardware02 · 05-14-2013, 03:05 PM

6.7 Cummins.

Sniper X · 05-14-2013, 03:37 PM

Not to hijack, but please PM me on a step by step on glow plug change on the 7.3....thanks! I mean since you worked on them!

Tmaximusv · 05-14-2013, 03:56 PM

Sudden flashbacks to a bus I drove with a DD 8V92. I know, not the same thing at all but bear with me.

When dealing with diesels, V configuration is asking for trouble. Straight is simpler and reduces off axis forces on the whole package. Thus Cat, Cummins, DD 60, Intl 360 & 460 are all much longer operating engines under VASTLY heavier use than Intl 444 and any PS engines.

Let the hating begin

perterra · 05-14-2013, 05:22 PM

Cat made a lot of V's over the years

05-13-2013, 10:42 PM	#1
WARRIORPRINCEJJ ^OP Not in the clique... Joined: Jun 2009 Location: South Central Texas Oddometer: 6,842	Your opinion...6.7 Cummins or 6.7 Powerstroke (Scorpion)?...and why? Gentlemen, First, let me apologize for another truck/diesel thread. I've searched ADV, and read quite a few of the threads that I've found. Unfortunately, many are general, and do not specifically address just these two motors. In addition, many threads turn-into leg-humping-fests for the 5.9 Cummins and the 7.3 Powerstroke. I've owned and worked both, and already have established opinions. So, for the purposes of this thread, pretend you just met a guy who is about to purchase one of these two heavy-lights (brand new), within the next five minutes, and would like to know which one you would buy, if you were in his place...and why. Three things to consider... 1. There will be no DPF-deletes, no dirty tunes, etc. This "Fantasy Land" truck will remain stock. 2. This truck may wind-up being a "five-quarter" (4500 or 450). So, since the OEM tunes are different, for the bigger trucks, please include any pros or cons that you wish. 3. The buyer hauls ass, everywhere and all the time. (I put this because ALL trucks tow well at 60-65 MPH. 75-80 separates the men from the boys.) Thanks in advance. If you despise me, from JM (or anywhere else on this site), that's okay. This thread is about the trucks, not me. So, I would still appreciate your opinion. . __________________ I spent all my money on motorcycles, 4X4's, whiskey, and women...The rest I just wasted. (edited to fit/original phrase by "WIBO") "There's a WEALTH of cool people and knowledge on ADV, there's also a decent sized pocket of douche bag assholes that think their ADV forum Post Count (Oddometer) is their badge at being experienced riders." goodcat8

05-14-2013, 05:28 AM	#2
Lafitte on the road Joined: Oct 2004 Location: where I'm at Oddometer: 425	Ram 6.7L I have this rig. Live on the road full time for past year. Cummins is the real deal , has tow/haul mode for tranny AND Exhaust Brake. Don't tow over 60mph though , due to trailer tire rating. Truck would certainly tow much faster. Truck is Ram 2500 Crew Cab 8' Box , all bone stock (100K warranty). If needed I can add extra leaf springs to increase load capacity . __________________ I always keep a supply of stimulant handy in case I see a snake----which I also keep handy.

05-14-2013, 05:40 AM	#3
DC2wheels Castle Anthrax Joined: Jul 2008 Location: N.H. Oddometer: 1,201	Latest issue of Trailer Life has a small news piece that the 2014 Dodge 3500 Cummins is rated to tow 30,000#. That is NOT counting the weight of the truck itself. 850 ft/lbs of torque. Proven engine design. Only diesel that can be bought with a manual trans. imho, Ford has produced a few lemon engines after the 7.3. __________________ a few bikes in the barn http://k11og.org/forum/index.php world-wide K bike forum

05-14-2013, 06:17 AM	#4
Gummee! That's MR. Toothless Joined: May 2004 Location: NoVA for now... Oddometer: 25,667	Having driven neither, I'd go Dodge. Ford keeps experimenting with engines. M __________________ There. I've moved back to VA. Can you PLEASE change the weather?!

05-14-2013, 06:27 AM	#5
CodeMonkee Geek Adventurer Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Orygun Oddometer: 4,601	IMO Ford makes a better truck overall, but Dodge puts a better diesel in their diesel trucks than Ford and makes an okay truck. If the deciding factor is which diesel is better, then get the one with the Cummins. That said, you can get an F650 with a Cummins __________________ '09 Husaberg FE570 '99 Beta Alp '04 Ducati MTS - sold Not all who wander are lost

05-14-2013, 06:58 AM	#7
tslewisz Beastly Adventurer Joined: Oct 2005 Location: Bloomington, IL Oddometer: 2,223	Since I'm content w/ my '05 Dodge, I haven't done any meaningful research on the subject, however, I'll be watching this topic. And, of course, I look forward to the follow-up oil thread.

05-14-2013, 07:17 AM	#8
superdutyGS lone rider Joined: Aug 2007 Location: home is N.E. Missouri Oddometer: 839	diesel they are both good engines. I have the 2012 F250 with the 6.7 liter diesel and i love it. Getting terrific mpg as well. The cummins is fantastic and the guy I hunt with has it in a 2010 one ton dually Dodge. The front suspension has been maintenance nightmare on his Dodge. he doesn't abuse or work the truck hard, tows a camper only and it isn't heavy. I think both engines are fantastic but the rest of the truck the Ford has the better truck for ME....just my opinion. Check residual values and the Ford may beat the Dodge in a couple years with the 6.7. ford's 6.0 and 6.4 that was not the case at all. __________________ When I'm dead, I sure don't want people thinking I never really lived. Hell with that. Set tall in the saddle, hold your head up high...Keep your eyes fixed where the trail meets the sky....Live like you aint afraid to die. And don't be scared, just enjoy the ride. "Chris Ledoux"

05-14-2013, 07:22 AM	#9
perterra -. --- .--. . Joined: Sep 2010 Location: Tejas Oddometer: 6,470	What cha doin Vato, pickin up some work doin repo's __________________ You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy IBA 22425 perterra screwed with this post 05-14-2013 at 03:33 PM

05-14-2013, 02:37 PM	#10
Carlo Muro Supercàzzola Joined: May 2008 Location: Mediocristan Oddometer: 1,804	why the apologies OP? I like these threads __________________

05-14-2013, 02:50 PM	#11
DakarNick Swabee Joined: Oct 2005 Location: Parker, Colorado Oddometer: 5,525	This should be a pole __________________ 06 KTM 950 Adventure S 08 Dodge 2500, QC Shortbed, Cummins 6-speed auto, Big Horn

05-14-2013, 03:05 PM	#12
Hardware02 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2011 Location: The Rock Oddometer: 1,350	6.7 Cummins. __________________ "These instructions are at our present level of knowledge. Legal requirements do not exist. Technical issues subject to change."

05-14-2013, 03:37 PM	#13
Sniper X De Oppresso Liber Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Central New Mexico, 7420ft above sea level Oddometer: 30,423	Not to hijack, but please PM me on a step by step on glow plug change on the 7.3....thanks! I mean since you worked on them! __________________ "I claim to be frightened of horses but do so only to get out of attending parades. It's peculiar but ...it works. The Horses get it. RESISTANCE IS NOT FUTILE. IT'S VOLTAGE DIVIDED BY CURRENT

05-14-2013, 03:56 PM	#14
Tmaximusv Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jun 2012 Location: Gateway to the Sandhills Oddometer: 284	Sudden flashbacks to a bus I drove with a DD 8V92. I know, not the same thing at all but bear with me. When dealing with diesels, V configuration is asking for trouble. Straight is simpler and reduces off axis forces on the whole package. Thus Cat, Cummins, DD 60, Intl 360 & 460 are all much longer operating engines under VASTLY heavier use than Intl 444 and any PS engines. Let the hating begin __________________ Illegitemi non-corundum est.

05-14-2013, 05:22 PM	#15
perterra -. --- .--. . Joined: Sep 2010 Location: Tejas Oddometer: 6,470	Cat made a lot of V's over the years __________________ You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy IBA 22425

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