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Old 06-27-2009, 09:57 AM   #16
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Still rather have a ktm 200 smoker for the woods. Or any mx 250 2stroke with a flywheel weight, skidplate, and handguards.
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Old 06-27-2009, 10:23 AM   #17
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Dont you think that Suz looks a little like a yellow Kawi KLX450R?
That bikes pretty fast...
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Old 06-27-2009, 02:58 PM   #18
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i'm gonna have to start saving... this is everything a DRZ owner could ever dream of having! its exactly what drzers have been wanting since the drz came out! look at every thread in every forum about what would make the drz better and this has everything, FI, 450bore, and light as a 450 mxer(just no fricken 6speed) this bike is brilliant!!!! I wouldn't be surprised if this was a rebadged kawi as suzuki as we all know has a history of teaming up with them to make bikes
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:40 AM   #19
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The RMX 450 Z is 25 lbs. heavier than the RMZ 450 (272 lbs. vs. 247 lbs.), and the RMX 450 Z only has a fuel capacity of 1.6 gallons.

The Kawasaki-Suzuki relationship has long been dissolved.
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Old 06-28-2009, 06:12 PM   #20
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NOT.... I'm not going it get in to a flame war with you Cody but you're wrong. 90 day powertrain warranty is all you get on the new KTM race bikes. I just called Moore and Sons KTM here in SC to confirm. Also checked the KTM website and they make no claims on warranty.
My apologies. Up until recently there was a one year on all offroad models.
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Old 06-28-2009, 07:36 PM   #21
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Once again, both Husky and Ktm are not required to pay as much as a major company due to their relatively small sales numbers. So certification for them is more feasible. Trust me, the Japanese companies are NOT happy about this situation and are lobbying hard to change it.
If that were true, Jesse James wouldn't have had to go to court and pay a bunch of outrageous fines. ALL manufacturers, no matter how small, must be fully in compliance with EPA and DOT regs.

This misinformation crops up from time to time, and I am not sure where it comes from.
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:25 AM   #22
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I wonder if the bike will be Green Sticker legal for Ca?
Django Loco, this says it will be green sticker elegible in CA.

http://www.motorcycle.com/news/suzuk...eup-88472.html
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Old 06-29-2009, 07:41 AM   #23
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For some strange reason, Suzuki finds it necessary to use a pressurized (and small) aluminum fuel tank; I'm curious how the aftermarket will respond to this. Honda, Yamaha, and Husqvarna get by with a plastic fuel cell with their fuel injection systems.
Kawasaki also uses plastic fuel cells. My 09 KX450F came with one.

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Current reports on the motocross version RMZ450 say that it is a bit thirsty, which really doesn't matter for a 45 minute or less moto, but maybe the RMX map is tuned for economy.
Exactly, the new KX 450F is also a gas guzzler. People are trying to compare apples to oranges in regards to FI bikes. Race bikes DO NOT get better gas mileage when FI'd.
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Old 06-29-2009, 07:45 AM   #24
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Still rather have a ktm 200 smoker for the woods. Or any mx 250 2stroke with a flywheel weight, skidplate, and handguards.
Agreed. I'll always have a 2 stroke for tight woods.
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Old 06-29-2009, 08:35 AM   #25
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If that were true, Jesse James wouldn't have had to go to court and pay a bunch of outrageous fines. ALL manufacturers, no matter how small, must be fully in compliance with EPA and DOT regs.

This misinformation crops up from time to time, and I am not sure where it comes from.
Not exactly.

JJ got fined because he was building motorcycles without any Commiefornia DOT, CARB, etc certifications. (You can do it, IF, you only build a couple of bikes per year.)

In other words, he was just doing his own thing and got caught.

To put it another way, lesson to be learned: if you become a high profile figure dating movie stars and doing TV shows, then you'd better be prepared for what the spotlight brings.....
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:15 AM   #26
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Wow! Not street-legal and only 21+ lbs. heavier than a street-legal KTM 450 or 530 EXCR.
Suzuki's latest published curb weights have been very accurate (DRZ400SM claimed, 321 -- 322 on Cycle World's scale), but let's wait and see. Meanwhile, in the real world, the last KTM 450EXC Cycle World tested came in at 276 pounds. I rather doubt the new 530 has lost over 25 pounds.

See "What do they really weigh?" http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...=316846&page=7
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Old 06-29-2009, 09:56 AM   #27
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ALL manufacturers, no matter how small, must be fully in compliance with EPA and DOT regs.
Nonsense. There are different rules for manufacturers selling less than 3,000 units in the US, regardless of global sales, different rules for a person making a custom bike for himself, different rules for up to 24 "show and display" motorcycles and endless variations in the form of hardship provisions, in which a manufacturer can gain a three-year exemption from current rules by demonstrating they have done the best they can and that compliance would affect the company's solvency.

http://www.aimag.com/epa/Nov04-pt2.htm
http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/roadbike...-regs-pres.pdf

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This misinformation crops up from time to time, and I am not sure where it comes from.
Experience?
Common sense?
Research?
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:37 AM   #28
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Once again, both Husky and Ktm are not required to pay as much as a major company due to their relatively small sales numbers. So certification for them is more feasible. Trust me, the Japanese companies are NOT happy about this situation and are lobbying hard to change it.
Do you have this in writing or some kind of proof? I am not arguing or disagreeing but I would love to know that Honda and Yamaha are trying to change this. Just wanting a good offroad dual sport from the factory.
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Old 06-29-2009, 02:51 PM   #29
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I would love to know that Honda and Yamaha are trying to change this. Just wanting a good offroad dual sport from the factory.
Be careful what you wish for. If Honda and Yamaha are lobbying, it is not to ease regulations on themselves. They are trying to end what they see as an unfair advantage for KTM and Husqvarna. If they succeed, expect the European dual sports to a) disappear, or b) get even more expensive, and c) sprout some extra hoses, cannisters, and catalytic converters, along with a lot more weight.
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Old 06-29-2009, 03:09 PM   #30
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Suzuki's latest published curb weights have been very accurate (DRZ400SM claimed, 321 -- 322 on Cycle World's scale), but let's wait and see. Meanwhile, in the real world, the last KTM 450EXC Cycle World tested came in at 276 pounds. I rather doubt the new 530 has lost over 25 pounds.

See "What do they really weigh?" http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...=316846&page=7
Wet (curb) weight of the street-legal 2009 KTM 530 EXCR is 257 lbs. [Source: Dirt Bike Magazine, April 2009, Page 25] The off-road only 450 & 530 XC-W are even lighter.

To put things into prespective:

2009 Honda CRF 450 X – 269 lbs. (Mfg. Curb Weight) – Fuel: 1.9 gallons
2009 Honda CRF 450 R – 235 lbs. (Mfg. Curb Weight) – Fuel: 1.5 gallons
2009 Kawasaki KLX 450 R – 278 lbs. (Mfg. Curb Weight) – Fuel: 2.1 gallons
2009 Kawasaki KXF 450 R – 247.1 lbs. (Mfg. Curb Weight) – Fuel: 1.9 gallons
2009 KTM 450 EXCR – 257 lbs. (Wet, Dirt Bike Mag. April 2009) – Fuel: 2.4 gallons
2009 KTM 450 XCW– 247 lbs. (Mfg. Weight) – Fuel: 2.4 gallons
2009 KTM 450 XCF – 239 lbs. (Mfg. Weight) – Fuel: 2.4 gallons
2009 KTM 450 SXF – 231 lbs. (Mfg. Weight) – Fuel: 2.1 gallons
2009 Suzuki RMX 450 Z – 272 lbs. (Mfg. Curb Weight) – Fuel: 1.6 gallons
2009 Suzuki RMZ 450 – 247 lbs. (Mfg. Curb Weight) – Fuel: 1.6 gallons
2009 Suzuki DRZ 400 – 317 lbs. (Mfg. Curb Weight) – Fuel: 2.5 gallons
2009 Yamaha WR 450 F – 271 lbs. (Mfg. Wet Weight) – Fuel: 2.1 gallons
2009 Yamaha YZ 450 F – 238 lbs. (Mfg. Wet Weight) – Fuel: 1.8 gallons

Mfg. Curb Weight = Wet and Full of Fuel
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