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Old 03-07-2010, 02:16 AM   #631
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I haven´t read the entire thread, so this may be old news, if soo feel free to delete my post.

Anyway, I just got the 2010 Touratech catalogue delivered at home and saw that TT now will be selling a:

"Special bolt for the upper shock absorber mount M12x120-12.9 for BMW F800/650, galvanised. Very sturdy replacement part made from special steel, ideal for extreme use, such as a long-distance off-road trip with lots of luggage. Item no 048-1020."

Looks like this problem has been observed by Touratech at least.
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Old 03-07-2010, 02:31 AM   #632
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Don't sweat it. I'm sure you'll love your bike. If I were to buy a new bike today, I would buy this one again without hesitation.
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Um, I've got a 2010 F800gs on order and for 15k dollars; this is not something I should have to be worrying about.

I spent four hours reading this entire thread and at first I was not too concerned, but now there are more and more people that are finding bent bolts.

I'll definitely do the washer and re-torque precaution, but I do not like the looks of this at all. I hope I made the right choice with this bike.

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Old 03-07-2010, 02:36 AM   #633
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Don't sweat it. I'm sure you'll love your bike. If I were to buy a new bike today, I would buy this one again without hesitation.
I agree. Just pay close attention to this potential problem. There are some remedies if needed.

At the very least, check the torque on the shock bolts yourself. It's a small chore, but worth it.
After that just keep an eye on things.

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Old 03-07-2010, 03:23 AM   #634
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F8GS asked me to post a picture of his shock bolt.

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Old 03-07-2010, 07:50 AM   #635
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Um, I've got a 2010 F800gs on order and for 15k dollars; this is not something I should have to be worrying about.

I spent four hours reading this entire thread and at first I was not too concerned, but now there are more and more people that are finding bent bolts.

I'll definitely do the washer and re-torque precaution, but I do not like the looks of this at all. I hope I made the right choice with this bike.

God Bless,
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Yeah, man. Put a greased washer under the bolt head and torque properly to 100 Nm and you should be A-OK. And if you really never want to worry about it again, get the Ralle-Moto brace before you do the above so you can do it all at the same time.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:16 AM   #636
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Yeah, man. Put a greased washer under the bolt head and torque properly to 100 Nm and you should be A-OK.
Has this procedure (washer + grease + appropriate torque) been confirmed as to prevent bolt bending?
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Old 03-07-2010, 11:47 AM   #637
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Has this procedure (washer + grease + appropriate torque) been confirmed as to prevent bolt bending?
Read Joel Wisman's post above about proper torque how many bikes there are on the road without this issue compared to how many that have it. Combine that with Johngil's positive report of proper torque with the RM brace. I'd say, yeah, confirmed.

Me, I've properly torqued a new bolt with greased washer through a properly installed RM brace. My opinion is that this not only solves it, but goes beyond solving it to the realm of overkill. Its up to you to decide for yourself of course. And there will always be people that feel the issue will never be solved.
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Old 03-07-2010, 12:55 PM   #638
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I just got finished taking out the bolt.

Before removal:



And the bolt............ (drumroll)









Straight as can be. (sorry about the bad photography)

Before removal I checked the factory torque and it was right on 100nm.

As I said above, I have close to 9,000 miles on the bike, including a good portion of the TAT to Moab loaded with a full Great Basin plus an additional dry bag on the tail.

I've also done lots of jumping like the pics above as well as general hooliganism.

If that did not bend my shock bolt I think I'm ok. I didn't put a washer in because I didn't have the right size. I put a little grease under the head and torqued it down. I may put a washer on there in the future.

I am about 185-190 lbs. without gear.

Bitubo fork kit and stock rear shock.

I'm willing to answer any questions.

I'm not sure if I just got lucky, the factory torque issue was a factor, or some bolts are bad.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:02 PM   #639
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Before removal I checked the factory torque and it was right on 100nm.
I'm betting this is why your bolt is not bent.
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:12 PM   #640
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I'm betting this is why your bolt is not bent.
Or its the Sachs shock, or the proper torque and the Sachs shock!
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Old 03-07-2010, 01:20 PM   #641
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Or its the Sachs shock, or the proper torque and the Sachs shock!
It's not the Sachs shock because bending has been reported with the stock Sachs and aftermarket shocks. I haven't however, heard of a confirmed case of bending a bolt that was confirmed to be properly torqued.
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:21 PM   #642
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I just got finished taking out the bolt...

Straight as can be.
That's good news. Thanks for sharing.

I was/am concerned that maybe there are more people riding around with bent bolts and don't know it. This isn't a part that I normally would have thought to inspect.

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Old 03-07-2010, 04:33 PM   #643
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It is a poor bike, if all that stuff, bolt included, happens. And then we complain about chinese products. This is worse than an alleged chinese product. Soooo many flaws in BMW these days... This isn't what it used to be: buy a bike, then do 200.000 kms. Period.
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Old 03-07-2010, 05:52 PM   #644
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It is a poor bike, if all that stuff, bolt included, happens. And then we complain about chinese products. This is worse than an alleged chinese product. Soooo many flaws in BMW these days... This isn't what it used to be: buy a bike, then do 200.000 kms. Period.
Really? What bike can you buy that will do 200,000 kms out of the box without laying a wrench to it?

These days? What days are you comparing these days to? 1957? 1971? 1995?

And perhaps a day will come when Chinese bikes are up to any current bike in quality, but those days aren't here yet. They serve a purpose in giving transportation to those who would otherwise be walking, but I certainly wouldn't travel transcontinental on one. On the modern bikes, if a part fails you can lay odds that it's a Chinese part. Poor metalurgy, poor dimensions, poor heat-treating, poor QC, etc. But you seem to think they're superior so I figure you should run out and buy one and not concern yourself with our flaws.
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Old 03-07-2010, 05:57 PM   #645
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It is a poor bike, if all that stuff, bolt included, happens. And then we complain about chinese products. This is worse than an alleged chinese product. Soooo many flaws in BMW these days... This isn't what it used to be: buy a bike, then do 200.000 kms. Period.
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