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Old 04-04-2010, 11:57 AM   #841
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I understand. I did not realize that the Ohlin bushing were aluminum. I suppose it is possible, under some pounding, for the Ohlin bushing to deform first, then it is all down hill, thanks
After the same pounding, the stock bushing will fail as well.
Spanning the gap w/ one piece of material (of proper strength) seems to make Indy's idea a winner. He has mentioned retrofitting HyperPro and Ohlins shocks and makes mention of installing his assembly in the stock shock as well.

In my initial bend it appears the worst of the bending was where the spacer and the shock came together.

I'm still concerned about the cross tube. Baby steps for now.
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Old 04-04-2010, 01:53 PM   #842
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Indy or never.ride, will your brace/bracket/support bushing dealio work with the RallyeMoto brace?
It can be made to work with the Rallye Moto brace but you would need a 20mm I.D. x 21mm O.D. x 30mm long bushing sleeve to fill the gap difference between the stock spacer under the rubber and the new extended bearing race.

So if you want both solutions it can be done.
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Old 04-04-2010, 03:07 PM   #843
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While we know stock shocks bend bolts, although not with the same "regularity" as Ohlins. And a RM Brace failed with an Ohlins shock. Those two sentence are facts, right?

Having said that, I may have missed something here on this discussion where someone knows that the RM brace is guaranteed to work with the stock shock. Couldn't it be the case, in a most optimist scenario, that the stock shock is less likely to be bent with the RM Brace?

Indy, your solution is elegant and apply a type of reinforcement that dissipates the force to a larger area, where it counts the most. Hope it works.

Lion
The RM brace helps w/ the Ohlins as well.
It bends less. Lame, yes. Truth, yes. Solution, no.
Lion, I don't think there are any guarantees here.
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Old 04-04-2010, 03:35 PM   #844
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No Paypal account. I really dont want to make more kits but this thread wont die. I hope I can get the kits to the guys that are going with Elka, Ohlins, Hyperpro aftermarket shocks. Check or Cash after you get the kit.
Sounds good to me. I hope to go to a Hyperpro or Elka shock eventually sut am looking to improve the forks more first.
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Old 04-04-2010, 03:44 PM   #845
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While we know stock shocks bend bolts, although not with the same "regularity" as Ohlins. And a RM Brace failed with an Ohlins shock. Those two sentence are facts, right?
No. The RM brace did not fail. A bolt bent on a bike using the brace with an Ohlins shock, but the brace itself did not fail. John also said that he believed the brace kept the frame from bending. To me, that means the brace works. It doesn't solve the problem, but it helps mitigate it.


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Old 04-04-2010, 03:53 PM   #846
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Old 04-04-2010, 03:57 PM   #847
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OK, yes, that is better language. The RM Brace did not prevent a bolt from bending, in a bike with an Ohlins shock.


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No. The RM brace did not fail. A bolt bent on a bike using the brace with an Ohlins shock, but the brace itself did not fail. John also said that he believed the brace kept the frame from bending. To me, that means the brace works. It doesn't solve the problem, but it helps mitigate it.


HOLY SHIT!!! WE JUST GOT HIT BY A HUGE F'ING EARTHQUAKE!!!!
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:09 PM   #848
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And so my ignorance marches on:

I can (sort of) understand why the Ohlins bushing may fail, being two pieces. Would it be a problem on the Hyperpro? I thought the collective determined that it used a one piece bushing. I can certainly grant that Indy's solution will be more bullet proof, but is this something us mortals will need?
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:22 PM   #849
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And so my ignorance marches on:

I can (sort of) understand why the Ohlins bushing may fail, being two pieces. Would it be a problem on the Hyperpro? I thought the collective determined that it used a one piece bushing. I can certainly grant that Indy's solution will be more bullet proof, but is this something us mortals will need?
You are correct. Ohlins and Elka use a multi-piece upper shock eyelet. Hyperpro uses a single solid piece upper shock eyelet like stock. A stock shock or Hyperpro shock and and Ralle Moto brace will do just fine.

If you have a Ohlins or Elka, I'd get Indy's setup.
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Old 04-04-2010, 07:54 PM   #850
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Hyper pro is a 2 pc bushing system as well as Elka and Ohlins. They all use the same size spherical bearing.
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Old 04-04-2010, 08:07 PM   #851
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Hyper pro is a 2 pc bushing system as well as Elka and Ohlins. They all use the same size spherical bearing.
I thought it might be without examining it, given that all three shocks look similiar. Just an uninformed observation.

The outside diameter of the Elka bush is 22mm, do you want me to send you a photo for confirmation? or doesn't this matter in the overall scheme of things?

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Old 04-05-2010, 07:17 AM   #852
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Hyper pro is a 2 pc bushing system as well as Elka and Ohlins. They all use the same size spherical bearing.
Damn.. good to know.
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:23 PM   #853
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Yeah, yeah, but did it bend your upper shock bolt?
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:27 PM   #854
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Yeah, yeah, but did it bend your upper shock bolt?
Maybe that's been the problem all along.
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Old 04-05-2010, 03:37 PM   #855
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Maybe that's been the problem all along.
Just stay outta the subduction zone!

BTW, I know it can actually be serious business sometimes; even though I'm from eastern Canada, I rode out the '89 Loma Prieta quake at my cousin's place near SF. It was 'interesting'. She's legally blind and has MS, and she got me to a safe place. I'd experienced a couple of other minor ones, but that one was pretty scary for an easterner. It amazes me how nonchalant Californians are about it all.
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