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Old 08-02-2004, 06:32 PM   #1
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Has anyone supermotarded a Honda XR650R?

Any suggestions? I want to use the bike for street AND offroad use. For street, I was thinking about getting a set of 17" wheels and playing around. Are there any obvious "right" ways to do this? Any standard vendors? Best rims? Best hubs? Best tires? I won't be racing, just messing around. Thanks in advance.

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Old 08-02-2004, 08:03 PM   #2
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Hey Kirk,

The same aftermarket stuff available for KTMs are available for the Honda... but on an even grander scale.

A nose-piece that I've always thought was really sharp looking was:
http://www.acerbis.com/p107_headlight/3001.html

I got nothing else of value so... I'll shut the fuck up.

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Old 08-02-2004, 08:17 PM   #3
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Dude, checkout www.thumpertalk.com and www.supermotojunkie.com There is a ton of information in there about doing exactly this including vendors. I have my KTM 450 setup for motard but I race mine as its not street legal.

There is a guy who rides a 650 Motard in San Francisco. You will generally find him parked on 2nd Street between Folsom and Harrison and he pulls big wheelies up the hill on 2nd St. heading toward PacBell Park. If you can tackle him, I'm sure he will give you the scoop (or just leave a note on his bike to call you).
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Old 08-02-2004, 09:26 PM   #4
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Mine is about half way there..



The Ohlins USD forklegs are from a Cannondale, valved for street/track use.

I've yet to save up for a 17" rear wheel, but I will try and go to the Excel route to have a rear hub that can be used on my LC4 Adv. and XR650R and lace a 17" rim to it.

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Old 08-02-2004, 09:56 PM   #5
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Old 08-02-2004, 11:15 PM   #6
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Kirk,

For a local master wheelbuilder, contact WheelCraft in Hayward: (510) 785-0690. He builds supermotard wheels for Nicky Hayden's CFR450 (or at least did, when Nicky was still in the States). All around good guy, likes to shoot the shit.
He built up a set of 17" wheels for my XR650R: gold Talon hubs, black powdercoated Sun rims. Rear tires: a 160 won't fit (unlike KTM 625/640's), so you need to get a 150. I ran Sportecs, good grip, decent mileage.
I can't remember what size rear sprocket I used... I want to say 42? I dunno. Whatever it was, it would effortlessly pick the front wheel up off the throttle in 2nd gear.
For a big front brake, another local-ish company:
http://www.map-engineering.com/brakes.htm
Had the MAP spacer on my bike, along with a Galfer braided line.
Cheaper option (about half of the 320mm set-up) is to get a 280mm rotor and spacer from EBC, these guys have them:
http://www.rockymountainatv.com/
Advantage is that you can get a matching disk for your dirt wheelset, and don't need to bother switching the spacer out when you switch wheels (which I found to be the major pain in going back and forth). Disadavantage, it may be underpowered for hard riding on the 17"s. Depends on your needs. The convenience might win out if you're going to be switching a lot. I might try the EBC, and see if I warped a disk. If not, you're set.
Talk to Jason Powers (parts manager at Scuderia) -- he 'motarded his XR650R a couple of years ago. Motard as a verb... hmmm...

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Old 08-03-2004, 07:12 AM   #7
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rad makes wheels for them I have them on my drz good wheels.

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Old 08-03-2004, 10:01 AM   #8
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Thanks everyone. Great info. Really appreciate it.
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Old 08-04-2004, 05:30 PM   #9
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I bought all the stuff to convert my KTM 525 EXC to SM and it sure is fun. You might check out these guys for Honda gear. www.moto-connection.com
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Old 08-04-2004, 05:37 PM   #10
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I just noticed that you have a KTM 450 EXC. The KTM SM kit is what I did and it makes it really easy to switch back and forth between dirt and SM. Like you, I don't race I just ride around the neighborhood frightening the mothers. Here is the kit. http://www.ktm-parts.com/Merchant2/m...uct_Code=PSMSK
With the addition of a rear disc and sprocket the swap is very fast ~20 minutes. The hardest part is the front fender swap.
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Old 08-04-2004, 06:51 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by kirkmoon
Any suggestions? I want to use the bike for street AND offroad use. For street, I was thinking about getting a set of 17" wheels and playing around. Are there any obvious "right" ways to do this? Any standard vendors? Best rims? Best hubs? Best tires? I won't be racing, just messing around. Thanks in advance.
http://www.2wf.com/articles/stories/...2AFABE52F1.asp is about the most comprehensive article I've read on it.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:57 PM   #12
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Kirk-
I just noticed that you have a KTM 450 EXC. The KTM SM kit is what I did and it makes it really easy to switch back and forth between dirt and SM. Like you, I don't race I just ride around the neighborhood frightening the mothers. Here is the kit. http://www.ktm-parts.com/Merchant2/m...uct_Code=PSMSK
With the addition of a rear disc and sprocket the swap is very fast ~20 minutes. The hardest part is the front fender swap.
Thanks Gregg -

I had the 17" wheels for my 450 EXC but I recently sold a 625SXC and let the wheels go with that bike. I loved riding the 450 as a supermoto on the street, but the seat made it hard to stay on it for long and I actually blew on of the cam cover bolts while out riding it one day and got a little gun shy about riding this bike hard on the street for extended periods. Decided to SM the Honda on the theory that is is more robust.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:57 PM   #13
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http://www.2wf.com/articles/stories/...2AFABE52F1.asp is about the most comprehensive article I've read on it.
Thanks Walter. Great link.
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:09 PM   #14
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:51 PM   #15
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Personally, I think you're headed in EXACTLY the right direction with this project. Don't have much to add over the already assembled wisdom here, but I do think an XR will last about forever.

BTW, mine's for sale. Has a street title. Rear end: 16,xxx miles. Front end: Somewhat less. (-;



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Thanks Gregg -

I had the 17" wheels for my 450 EXC but I recently sold a 625SXC and let the wheels go with that bike. I loved riding the 450 as a supermoto on the street, but the seat made it hard to stay on it for long and I actually blew on of the cam cover bolts while out riding it one day and got a little gun shy about riding this bike hard on the street for extended periods. Decided to SM the Honda on the theory that is is more robust.
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