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Old 07-19-2009, 11:23 AM   #1
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KTM 990 and F800GS from SF to CO and back via the TAT

Heading out in a few minutes with Rubberneck on a KTM 990 and me on an F800GS east towards Lyons, CO for the RockyGrass Festival.

We'll try to keep this thread up to date on where we are but the most current info will be found at http://homespunrowdy.com/trackdaveanddave where we've got our SPOT map, short message posts and mobile uploads (yes, for our Moms). Oh yeah, and we're carrying enough tech gear to open a Best Buy so we'll post a full multimedia report when we get back.

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We've been in Tahoe for the past couple days but today will pick up the Pony Express Trail around Fallon and take it to connect with the TAT. We're thinking we'll follow it east (maps in the GPS) to around Salina where we'll catch 89 North (or your better suggestion) to 40 East to be in Lyons Thursday afternoon.

After the festival, my girlfriend hops on the back of the F800GS and we take a crack at the TAT passes heading West from Salida to Moab 2-up over the next week. The final week, Rubberneck and I will continue West on the TAT as far as we can go before bailing to the slab to get home in time for a friend's wedding. Yes, technically, we're both groomsmen, but I think goggle-tan is a good look.

Hope to see some of you FF's out on the road. We'll be looking for the ADV salute.

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Old 07-22-2009, 12:43 PM   #2
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Day 1: Pony Express (well, sort of) and 50 to Eureka

First time to a connection since leaving Tahoe on Sunday and wanted to update the report.

From Tahoe, we took 50 East to Silver Springs where we wanted to pick up some Pony Express Trail tracks we'd found online somewhere. Before we could even get the tires dirty, the F800GS started stalling as it's been doing in the heat (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...5#post10380565). Not to be shut down this early in our trip (and possibly in the running for the Darwin Awards), we found the track and pressed on.

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Between my terrible sand technique and the big bike, I soon had my first about about 20 slow speed drops (though at least a few were caused by the bike stalling out on me). We found some shade beside a fence and cooled the bike off for a while and were able to limp to Fallon. Done with the sand and the fear of being vulture vittles after a breakdown, we hopped on 50 and beelined it through some dramatic thunder storms to Eureka to connect with the TAT heading east.



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Emerging from the darkness at 10 pm into a bar in Eureka clad in stormtrooper gear generates some interesting responses. At the Owl Club, it was "How ya doin', tough guy?" followed by the news that no place in town was still serving dinner. At the Jackson House Hotel Saloon/Cafe, however, it was "Hey you, I need to talk to you" coming from Frank of Two 950's the TAT and for cause. Well, we soon decided that dinner was gonna come in 12 oz bottles from Becky behind the bar and Frank proceeded to educate us on issues from riding in the sand ("GET YOUR &^*% @SS OF THE SEAT AND GET ON THE PEGS!") to the effects of the new administration on the small business owner to the do's and dont's of convincing suckers you're married to a 80's sitcom star. Frank's a very smart guy with no shortage of opinions (or Las Vegas-themed jokes) who's brilliantly put together a great TAT ride for charity. Despite forcing Becky to stay open until 3 and endlessly feed the jukebox (sorry Frank, I don't think I need to hear "Chicken Fry" again anytime soon), we had a great time and quite a good first night. Too bad we couldn't meet Elton. I think we owe him an apology...

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Old 07-22-2009, 02:53 PM   #3
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Old 07-23-2009, 12:34 PM   #4
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on the actual TAT...

Picking up where the other Dave left off...

After getting back to the motel in a semi-drunken stupor at about 3:30am , we decided to an 8am alarm with a couple of snooze buttons would be respectible. We were on the move again by about 9am or so.

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Day 2 off-road was a lot more productive than Day 1. There's probably a reason there aren't too many reports on here about the Pony Express in western Nevada... After fighting our way through the sand, the dirt and gravel of the TAT in Nevada was a relative breeze. Our average speed probably went from the 10s to the 40s. We were cruising along vast open valleys of sage brush with nothing to stop us, except for the occasional cattle gate...

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...or breakdown of the f800gs. Almost like clockwork, after riding hard for about 2 hours in 90+ degree heat, the gs would stall. It'd allow itself to start up again a couple of times, but within 10 minutes it was game over unless it got a good 30 minute break in the shade. Shade in eastern Nevada isn't always available, so we had to start to anticipate the breakdowns, and seek good rest spots to avoid this sort of scenario...

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After a couple of "breaks/stalls" in the heat of the day, things started to cool off a bit towards the Humboldt Forest, which was some fun, fast, stall-free riding...

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...the skies were getting darker and darker until they fully opened up with downpour rarely seen in California. It was refreshing, yet painful on the neck. It helped keep the dust down a bit, but not enough...

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I was riding 2nd to make sure I was around in case of any more stalls, and to get some good video (forthcoming in a later episode).

Doing this portion of the TAT "salmon-style" meant that we were approaching Lund, and Sawmill Canyon. We gassed up, and hit a little joint called Whipple's (obligatory food porn shot for you FFs)...

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Good food. Nice people. And then headed up the long road toward Sawmill Canyon...

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Riding up through the canyon was awesome, and the terrain up top was even cooler. Mule deer (?)...

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...and a trail that was like riding on freshly mowed grass...

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...the weather was perfect up there, and the scenery even better. After a long day, with many a stall and break, it was nice to get in some consistent riding without any mechanical issues. Once we setup camp...

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...the other Dave realized we had left something behind. The SPOT wasn't on his top-case anymore. We thought we had seen it at Whipples, but went back to the video footage to determine when we really last saw it...

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..it was somewhere along the road up to Sawmill Canyon. Unfortunately, without cell reception / Internet available, we didn't know exactly where it was but probably within a half-mile stretch. We decided to double back and track it down in the morning.
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Old 07-23-2009, 12:50 PM   #5
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Riding up through the canyon was awesome, and the terrain up top was even cooler. Mule deer (?)...
Close...NOT! Cervus elaphus/Wapiti...Elk. The big white/light spot on the rear is the give away...and the size.

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Old 07-23-2009, 01:28 PM   #6
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Dats no mule deer

That's a cow elk!!!! Lucky you!
I'm back from my Baja trip and will be following you two! Have fun! My 990 ran flawlessly the whole time, I love that bike!

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Old 07-23-2009, 01:52 PM   #7
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Funny, I lost my SPOT in the same area last Sept.

On the 800 stall issue. Cannister, still on ? I'll bet yes.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:00 AM   #8
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Day 3: Sawmill Canyon, the SPOT spot, and Salina

Having decided that leaving the SPOT behind would be a disappointing and potentially confusing thing to do, we reviewed a couple potential routes back to the stretch of Sawmill Canyon road where the video first showed it missing. We decided to continue east on the TAT to Patterson Pass Rd where we could pick up Shingle Pass Rd. West to 318 North to Lund. After a combination of 55 mph dirt and some highway, we were back on Sawmill Canyon Rd by 7 am and found the SPOT along the side of the road right where we expected it.

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A successful rescue mission deserved a reward so we stopped back in to Whipple's for another huge plate of food. BTW, Ma Whipple said she's suspected that someone was handing out maps or something given the number of dirty bikers she'd been seeing coming out of the canyon recently. She said, bring 'em on!

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Back to the TAT, we rode through the beautiful Cave Valley and up and over Patterson Pass before opting for the big bike bypass up and around some deep sand (thanks Sam!).

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Coming around the south end of the Humboldt-Toiyabe, I saw a dust trail and three bikes coming from the left. Just as I thought “Hey, where are they coming from?” I looked down at the GPS to find I'd just missed a turn. We flipped around for the obligatory exhaust pipe sniffing and met two guys from Florida and one from New Hampshire (I think). They'd been on the trail for 15 or 16 days and one of the Floridians had just gone over the bars after an unexpected ditch. As he said, after so many miles, it's that one time you let down your guard that the trail gets ya.

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The rest of the way to the UT border took us on double track through some fun bouldery washes, a stretch of pavement and loop of dirt with a surprise 2 ft deep, 8 foot wide “bike wash” hidden around a corner. We both hit it at pretty good speed, got drenched and couldn't stop laughing. By this time, we have a routine for dealing with the stalling on the F800GS. First time, we ignore it and start back up before it stops rolling. Second time, we start looking for shade trees on the horizon. Depending how long we get before the next one, we basically stall/cool/restart until we find a shady spot where we can crawl under a tree for half an hour.

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It was during one of these cooling breaks when, hearing the fan on the KTM, I realized that I felt like I hadn't heard mine in a long time. On top of that, despite stalling from the heat, I didn't think I'd ever seen the engine temperature gauge over the middle mark (four bars). I know, German engineering and all but that seemed odd given the temps and abuse we'd been putting the bike through.

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From the UT border, we'd planned to start working our way north to take 40 east across UT and CO. We would come back to this point on the TAT heading east on the way home. As soon as got on the pavement and revved up the big bikes, we realized a stop at the BMW dealer in Salt Lake wouldn't be too far out of the way. We took 50 to Salina where we grabbed a motel to recharge ourselves (and our gadgets) before an early morning detour to SLC.

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Old 07-26-2009, 02:51 PM   #9
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FYI, my fan has never triggered yet either. Interested to hear what happens next.
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Old 07-26-2009, 04:27 PM   #10
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My fan comes on...

.....a lot when the temp is creeping into the upper 80s and above. Sounds like a faulty fan relay may be the culprit, causing overheating......somewhere.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:54 AM   #13
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Stalling resolution (hopefully) and a nice rest weekend

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To condense a long day, BMW of North SLC got right to work on diagnostics on the F800GS while we had a great breakfast at Rambin, Roads then wandered the area following our iPhones to a “nearby” Flying J truck stop where we finally got online to upload pics and update our RR. A few hours later, I heard from the dealer that they had found an “implausible” engine temperature reading coming from the BMSK (Bavarian Mottorad Supern Komputer?) and were pursuing approval from BMW to replace this $2000 part. Of course, it would have to overnighted from Pennsylvania. Not willing to wait around in SLC, we made an appt with BMW of Denver for the next morning figuring that they would have to go through their own diagnostics in time to order the part to arrive by Friday.

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We routed out of town towards 40 east around 2 pm in 98 degree temps assuming we wouldn't make it more than 40 minutes before we'd find a shady river where we could cool ourselves and the bike off. Somehow, the BMW just kept running and we took advantage of it to make time towards Denver. Landscape was changing as we headed east with rocks turning more red, buttes becoming more pronounced and taller mountains starting to appear.

As we passed Dinosaur National Monument, I was riding with sunglasses on but my shield up and had just turned on my helmet cam to capture the scene without risking a picture stop when a rock the size of a baby marshmallow flicked up from the tire of the truck in front of me and hit me right on the bridge of the nose. My mini laptop won't play the video smoothly enough to see the rock but I'll review it frame by frame when I can. What the video definitely captured is me flinching when I get nailed, telling Dave over the Scala “Uh, I might have to pull over for a sec” then wiping my nose with my glove and looking down to see blood. We found a rest stop a few minutes down the road to take some bad ass pictures and for Dave to send the following text to our friend we were crashing with in Basalt: “Just passed Vernal UT. Zim got hit by a rock in the nose. Wet-wiping the blood now. ETA 10 pm”

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The next morning in Denver, we started the process all over again with the questions about the issue we were having and how the technician could reproduce it. As usual we told them to ride the bike for 2+ hours in 90+ degree heat and it would happen to them. We told them that BMW had SLC had already figured out that I needed a new BMSK and the sooner they came to the same conclusion, the sooner it could overnighted and installed. Well, turns out, the regional service rep confirmed that the -95 degree engine temp rating was not a fault in the BMSK but rather in the diagnostic software in SLC and we were back to square one. That is, except for the fact that their demo F800GS had just stalled out on a mid day test ride. So we were escorted to the super plush leather couch, big screen TV lounge upstairs to wait for more info. We alternated between patiently waiting and walking downstairs to tap our feet and remind them of everything that's already been tried. By the end of the day, they were still unable to find a fault or to duplicate the problem. I hopped on the bike and took it into the vacant lot next door and did slow figure eights for 20 minutes at which point it started to stumble. I raced it around to the service entrance and handed it off to the tech. I've never been so happy to see it stall as I was when it did it for him. It had been an unsubstantiated complaint by an out town customer but now it was their problem.

Okay, now that I've made you as impatient reading this as we were waiting for a fix, I'll wrap things up. On Friday afternoon, I got a call from BMW that they felt that they had resolved the problem. The tech had rigged a fuel pressure gauge where it could be seen while riding. When the bike got hot, the pressure would fall below the acceptable range for a second and then peg the meter. They tried a new BMSK, new injectors, new fuel pump electronics and finally a fuel pump. Well, the pump did it. A pump you say? Was that replaced on your dime before you left 'cause BMW wouldn't do it for you? Looking closer at the invoice from BMW of SF, no, they hadn't replaced the fuel pump. It was backordered, neglected to tell me, and instead replaced the fuel pump electronics. Yes, I should have commented that the cost of the installation was less than I was expecting but I let myself believe that maybe they had split the cost with me. All this time, I (thanks to the ADV forums had been right about the pump being the problem and if they had told me they didn't install one, I would have arranged to have one put in on the trip. ARRGAGGARGGGHH.

Okay, so last night I did Dave's laundry from the first week. This was in exchange for (fingers crossed) never mentioning the stalling again. Then again, old wounds heal slow...

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Overall, we had a great weekend at RockyGrass hanging out, listening to music and seeing our friends in 49 Special win the band competition and are really ready to get this ride back on the road.

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Fuel Pump ha ? Interesting. My bike has never stalled on me...yet. What about the fan never kcing in issue ?
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:17 PM   #15
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Great write-up and sounds like you had an adventure.

We rode the XP from Carson City to SLC last year, arriving SLC just in time to catch the World Superbikes at Miller Motorsport.

Pictures here for those interested: http://picasaweb.google.com/BillyD85...J320p3iuceRfA#
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