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Old 08-18-2009, 06:30 PM   #1
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f800gs ABS or not?

I am thinking about getting an f800gs and I know there are some decent deals on non-ABS models.

Please share your opinion on the real value of ABS on this bike.
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:37 PM   #2
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It definitely would not be a deal breaker for me, in fact if I could have gotten my 1200 with esa and not the abs I would have to save the grand. You turn it off on the real dirt anyway. It does work pretty good though. I was playing around with it on gravel and was pretty impressed on how well it worked. Good luck when you make your purchase
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:58 PM   #3
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:23 PM   #4
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I agree that it's not a deal breaker, however if you plan on running knobbies it may come in handy. On the road, with street oriented tires it rarely activates, but after I switched to TKC's it kicks in a lot under moderately heavy braking and, obviously, more in the wet. So I like having it for the peace of mind in everyday commuting/emergency situations.
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:48 PM   #5
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It would be a deal breaker for me. Local dealer had one they had ordered for someone who passed on it and they offered me a deal. I passed and waited on one with ABS.
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Old 08-18-2009, 08:01 PM   #6
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It's a worthwhile option. One of those "never knew you needed it" things; I recently took a long trip on my non-abs bike, which has better brakes than the GS. I still found myself wishing for the abs, especially when we were riding in shit weather or dodgy roads.

I figure it'll probably save me on some slippery night with knobbies. If it does once, it's paid for itself.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:25 PM   #7
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I agree that it's not a deal breaker, however if you plan on running knobbies it may come in handy. On the road, with street oriented tires it rarely activates, but after I switched to TKC's it kicks in a lot under moderately heavy braking and, obviously, more in the wet. So I like having it for the peace of mind in everyday commuting/emergency situations.
Good point. I plan on putting on knobbies, and did not even think about braking on the road.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:32 PM   #8
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http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495337

The topic seems to generate much heat and little light.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:59 PM   #9
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http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495337

The topic seems to generate much heat and little light.
You cannot see light when your eyes are closed and your mind is made up. Someone who has plunked down a grand on a very high margin option wants to believe they did the right thing. "If I only need it once it will be worth it" is the mantra. The simple undisputed fact is that sophisticated testing has shown over and over again that ABS is beneficial on wet pavement and only wet pavement. In all other conditions it leads to longer stopping distances. Again I ask, why arm yourself for a singularity and disarm yourself for all other conditions.?

Why don't motoGP bikes have ABS? Why don't formula 1 cars have ABS? High end sport bikes do not offer it as an option. Why do you suppose that is?
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:41 AM   #10
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ABS - Here we go again...

I have 3 small children and a wife. I was going to buy a Toyota minivan with airbags and ABS but then I saw that F1 cars have no ABS, no airbags, only 1 seat and no roof. I'm saving up for one now.
Nice to see you back tmex but the logic is flawed.
I do agree that a very skilled rider, under ideal conditions, with prior knowledge of when to brake can beat ABS by a small margin. Sadly that is not the reality of riding out in the big bad world. Your undisputed fact is indeed disputed by many. Show me the research that says that in real world conditions, in panic braking, on dry pavement, people stop faster without ABS or more importantly crash and die less. If you honestly believe that at the end of a long day of riding as you are returning home and are suddenly involved in a panic braking situation that you can beat ABS everytime.....then don't buy it.
And now I'll wait for someone to start the BS about how ABS is a crutch and all the other "arguments".....asbestos Stich is on.

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You cannot see light when your eyes are closed and your mind is made up. Someone who has plunked down a grand on a very high margin option wants to believe they did the right thing. "If I only need it once it will be worth it" is the mantra. The simple undisputed fact is that sophisticated testing has shown over and over again that ABS is beneficial on wet pavement and only wet pavement. In all other conditions it leads to longer stopping distances. Again I ask, why arm yourself for a singularity and disarm yourself for all other conditions.?

Why don't motoGP bikes have ABS? Why don't formula 1 cars have ABS? High end sport bikes do not offer it as an option. Why do you suppose that is?
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Old 08-19-2009, 08:48 AM   #11
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When I traded for mine, I told them I would order one without ABS if it would save me money. They wanted to move current stock, and sold me the ABS model for the same money. (it was a trade, and involved a lot of number crunching) I would prefer non-abs if I had the choice.
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Old 08-19-2009, 09:01 AM   #12
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Why don't motoGP bikes have ABS? Why don't formula 1 cars have ABS? High end sport bikes do not offer it as an option. Why do you suppose that is?
For the F1 they used traction control, Anti Locking systems, etc. for a few years but banned them as it was getting completely boring. Cars would not fly off the road and the driver as a factor in the race was not as much of a factor as it used to be without those systems.

F1 (and all racing at that) is a spectator sport. If nothing happened during a race nobody would watch it. With all the electronics the only "event" in a race would be some driver having mechanical problems - would you watch that kind of "show"?

Back to the original post - no ABS would be a deal breaker for me. However to each his own.

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Old 08-19-2009, 09:53 AM   #13
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Old 08-19-2009, 10:35 AM   #14
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When I got the F8 it came with a package and if you wanted one you grabbed it ASAP as they were vanishing faster than ice cubes in Death Valley. Mine had an alarm and ABS (my first bike with ABS BTW) and while neither were craved, they were not deal breakers. If it came without ABS I still would have purchased it. I have used the ABS in emergency braking now twice (used it yesterday). It feels very odd to be able to maintain steering control while severe braking. It is going to take some experimenting to learn the plus and minus' of this system. So far I'm glad I have it.

As to Tmex, are you an nonABS missionary or what? I don't really have a dawg in the ABS nonABS fight and I do know by instinct now how to brake (37 years of pavement experience will do that for you or you won't make it). It is a farkle that is nice to have but, again, not a deal breaker. I will say this, when I am on a track and I have the skill of a Moto GP racer (or in the dirt)...I'll just go ahead and switch off my ABS. I restate "much heat little light".
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Old 08-19-2009, 11:39 AM   #15
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It might be of interest to note that Vavryn and Winkelbauer have been compaigning for some time (these guys are on a mission) to make ABS mandatory for motorcycles sold in Australia and also to place horsepower limits on the sale of motorcycles in Australia (see the conclusion page of the reference). People on a mission to mandate something for my own good are frightening to me.

I will provide contradictory data to the cited references. I am simply a bit busy right now.
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