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Old 08-21-2009, 09:51 AM   #16
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You're completely justified in your frustration IMO. I'm waiting on a 2010 myself and have been essentially doing a crash course in the basics on how to keep it running. No way can I afford $100/hr to pay some dealer tech to do half-assed repairs/tune-ups on it all the time for the general stuff.

As far as the major repairs are concerned, I've decided that when I'm negotiating the final deal on the bike, if they won't throw in the extended warranty for free, then I'm walkin'. Ya have to draw the line somewhere!
I too bought an extended warranty that covers damn near everything...BUT the big picture is that the warranty will not help you one bit when you are stranded in BFE...I ride off road, solo, miles from communications so when it stops...I must plan on walking out without it or die in place...something to consider.
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:13 PM   #17
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Guys, welcome to the club !!!! In just a little bit, some of the frequenters will pick up this thread and admonish you as just being a bunch of whiners ! lol

Its ridiculous. When my controller failed, there was noticeable water in the well where it sits. And, remember, I had the "upgraded" o-ring seal.

Yes, the whole purpose of this electronic controller gadget is to slow down the speed of the circulatory motor (fuel pump) so as to prolong filter life. Its the engineering mentality of the maker. Remember the servo brakes ? Answering questions that nobody was asking and making things overcomplicated.
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:28 PM   #18
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are the late '08 models affected too? The recall only says "early '08", were the later \08 and '09 models different in that maybe they don't have this controler? or did BMW buy a bunch of emergency jumpers and install them on the newer models? I bought mine in march '08. but don't know the production date.
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:43 PM   #19
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I too bought an extended warranty that covers damn near everything...BUT the big picture is that the warranty will not help you one bit when you are stranded in BFE...I ride off road, solo, miles from communications so when it stops...I must plan on walking out without it or die in place...something to consider.
Yeah, I'm TOTALLY with ya on that! I keep tryin' to convince myself to just go for it & worry about it stranding me when it happens. Don't know if I'm gonna be able to pull that off and really enjoy riding it far from home with that in the back of my mind constantly though. It really is amazing how these bikes maintain their popularity with all the same continuing unaddressed problems and horror stories on the forums year after year.

'Course Harley was exactly the same way, quality-wise, until just recently and they sold 'em as fast as they could build 'em too. I guess brand loyalty is the driving force behind it, that's all I can think of that would account for it.

Also, it may be that many, if not most, folks just buy these bikes are just assuming that for a premium amount of money they'll get a super high quality product from reading the propaganda and outright lies contained in the sales brochures. Who knows...
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:50 PM   #20
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Guys, welcome to the club !!!! In just a little bit, some of the frequenters will pick up this thread and admonish you as just being a bunch of whiners ! lol

Its ridiculous. When my controller failed, there was noticeable water in the well where it sits. And, remember, I had the "upgraded" o-ring seal.

Yes, the whole purpose of this electronic controller gadget is to slow down the speed of the circulatory motor (fuel pump) so as to prolong filter life. Its the engineering mentality of the maker. Remember the servo brakes ? Answering questions that nobody was asking and making things overcomplicated.
Yeah? Well those "frequenters" that you're talkin' about, and I know you're right, can just bite my ass! What they have to say means nothing whatsoever to me.

I completely agree with you about the engineering mentality. You see it in everything these days.

Ride safe & thanks for the support.

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Old 08-21-2009, 07:04 PM   #21
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it seems to me the 05 models haven't had this issue or the EWS ring antenna issue and I carry a spare ring antenna and a spare fuel pump controller.

I"m going to be selling the fuel pump controller seeing that I don't think I'll ever use it!
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Old 08-21-2009, 07:21 PM   #22
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"Get this bypass cable from a fellow forum member,in case you have future issues:
http://www.burnsmoto.com/bmw-fuel-pump-bypass-cable.php"

Thanks for the info on the bypass cable, and thanks to all that replied. It's nice to know that I'm not alone. Also, this may explain the long delivery for the replacement fuel pump controller, i.e. high demand.

The image of the failed controller shown on the page with bypass cable seams to have a lot of electronics inside. How complicated is this device? Especially if can be bypassed by a connection to the battery. Looks like its more than just a relay.

Jim
It's essentially just a big switching transistor.
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Old 08-22-2009, 11:23 AM   #23
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Get this bypass cable from a fellow forum member,in case you have future issues:

http://www.burnsmoto.com/bmw-fuel-pump-bypass-cable.php
+1 Luckily mine failed a few weeks after I bought the cable! I plugged it in and rode to the dealer.
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Old 08-22-2009, 03:55 PM   #24
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+1 Luckily mine failed a few weeks after I bought the cable! I plugged it in and rode to the dealer.
You know, it's just a damn pathetic statement about the quality of these expensive bikes that there is a high enough demand for these cables for an aftermarket company to be able to manufacture them and sell them on the internet!

If I were a BMW exec, I'd have some chief designer's ass roasting over a slow fire over things like this. Those people must have no sense of pride in their products at all. To me this just shows their contempt and total disregard for the loyal customers who ultimately support their worthless asses!

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Old 08-22-2009, 05:11 PM   #25
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You know, it's just a damn pathetic statement about the quality of these expensive bikes that there is a high enough demand for these cables for an aftermarket company to be able to manufacture them and sell them on the internet!

If I were a BMW exec, I'd have some chief designer's ass roasting over a slow fire over things like this. Those people must have no sense of pride in their products at all. To me this just shows their contempt and total disregard for the loyal customers who ultimately support their worthless asses!

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I hear ya' buddy. Now we just need someone to make an antenna ring bypass cable and while we're at it a chain drive retrofit kit.

I really like the way the bike rides but after two of these bikes I've had my fill of kool-aid. Its just too quirky and over engineered for me, not what an ADV bike should be in my opinion.
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:20 PM   #26
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I hear ya' buddy. Now we just need someone to make an antenna ring bypass cable and while we're at it a chain drive retrofit kit.

I really like the way the bike rides but after two of these bikes I've had my fill of kool-aid. Its just too quirky and over engineered for me, not what an ADV bike should be in my opinion.
They already have a "chain drive retrofit kit". It's called a KLR
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Old 08-23-2009, 08:49 AM   #27
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Fuel Pump Controller Failure

Mine failed on my 2008 GS after 3800 miles and a driving rain the prior day. Had to be towed to European Motors near Pittsburgh. They replaced the fuel pump, but couldn't diagnose the real problem which was the controller. Chris, the service manager at Bob's BMW which sold me the bike, helped out in the diagnosis and replacement. He later advised that the problem is a failure in the coating or sealant around the controller circuit board. He also said that none of the replacement boards had failed.

There is a fairly inexpensive wiring harness that bypasses the controller if it fails on the road.
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Old 08-23-2009, 02:20 PM   #28
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Here's some failure stats from UKgser... 2009s are failing too.
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=187
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Old 08-23-2009, 02:43 PM   #29
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Talking Sales brochure update??

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Here's some failure stats from UKgser... 2009s are failing too.
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=187
I heard a rumor that the 2010 sales brochures are gonna be updated to read:

"Unstoppable! - unless: they get too wet, too hot, too cold, the FD grenades, the transmission gets stuck in 6th gear or just simply grenades, the clutch wears out, gets oil contamination, is destroyed due to slight movement of left hand guard causing it to slip or if the hub splines strip or the center web cracks and breaks, the transmission input/output shaft splines strip, any or all of the various oil seals fail, the immobilizer ring fails, the fuel pump controller gets wet or the cheap-assed electrolytic capacitor in it gets a little warm and fails, you hit a pothole & blow one or both shocks, the electronic dash fails, the ABS unit fails, the battery fails, the injector bodies get seriously out of sync, the fuel filter gets stopped up, the valves are not perfectly adjusted, you put more than 6000 miles on the rear brakes or any or all of the brake rotors warp, the fuel gage/strip sensor fails, the stick coils fail, the side stand micro switch fails, any or all of the wiring harnesses short out, break, corrode or disintegrate, the motorcycle is otherwise ridden for any length of time, whether on or off-road, without major maintenance and/or repair work performed at a dealership, including their making it run like crap with an unrequested and unwanted software "update", at the standard rate of $100/hr".

OK, I'm just being silly, but it DOES have a little ring of truth.

Man, I wish the Beemer execs would read this stuff!

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Old 08-23-2009, 03:31 PM   #30
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I heard a rumor that the 2010 sales brochures are gonna be updated to read:

"Unstoppable! - unless: they get wet, too hot, too cold, the FD grenades, the clutch wears out or the hub splines strip, the transmission input/output shaft splines strip, any of the various oil seals fail, the HES sensor quits working, the immobilizer ring craps out, the fuel pump controller gets wet, you hit a pothole & blow a shock, the injector bodies get seriously out of sync, the valves are not perfectly adjusted, or the motorcycle is otherwise ridden for any length of time without major maintenance and/or repair work performed at a dealership at the standard rate of $100/hr".

OK, I'm just being silly, but it DOES have a little ring of truth.

Man, I wish the Beemer execs would read this stuff!
You forgot "or when you stall on the freeway when your fuel gage/strip sensor craps out".
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