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Old 08-24-2009, 08:40 PM   #31
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looks like I like to play in the sand In actuality (somehow) my kickstand was down and I had trouble getting it up without tipping the bike over


I did in fact make it up the hill the next morning on the KTM (2nd try), still believe the little yam will do it with proper gearing etc
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Old 08-24-2009, 08:48 PM   #32
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I did in fact make it up the hill the next morning on the KTM (2nd try), still believe the little yam will do it with proper gearing etc
Looks to me like you got to have more fun that the whole group put together. You made a lot of great runs at it!
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:29 PM   #34
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Old 08-25-2009, 09:54 AM   #35
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Bryan,
Thanks for posting up the pics. I was getting worried at first when I only saw my failed attempts on the BMW with trying to get up the hill. I'm still blaming the rapidly balding TKC80's on not getting to the top. Glad there were some of my actual success. I didn't realize that even Jim's KTM was bottoming completely out at the bottom of that hill. So smooth and powerful that orange beast. Great pics. I wish I would have been thinking. My camera was in my tank bag the entire time. I'm terrible about actually using the thing

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Old 08-25-2009, 11:21 AM   #36
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I didn't realize that even Jim's KTM was bottoming completely out at the bottom of that hill. So smooth and powerful that orange beast.
My back mentioned that to me after I rode a bad line onto the hill.

That bike had plenty of power all the way to the top. Very impressive. I think I came up a few feet short because I rolled off the throttle for a moment when I got jolted and then had too much ass to drag up to the top without digging the rear wheel in at the end. Clearly that bike could haul any of us up there with a proper run. If I wasn't hurting so badly I would have "runnered" that thing until I made it (probably on the next try).
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Old 08-26-2009, 07:19 AM   #38
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Maybe a good thread for advice for those of us from the south that haven't ever seen sand but are contemplating a ride to the UP or thereabouts.

It seems to me that the following rules might apply, just from looking at the pictures.

1. Lighter bikes rule the roost as long as they have good tires.
2. Sitting way back and gassing it helps?
3. Falling down happens.

Pretty close?

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Old 08-26-2009, 10:34 AM   #39
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Maybe a good thread for advice for those of us from the south that haven't ever seen sand but are contemplating a ride to the UP or thereabouts.

It seems to me that the following rules might apply, just from looking at the pictures.

1. Lighter bikes rule the roost as long as they have good tires.
2. Sitting way back and gassing it helps?
3. Falling down happens.

Pretty close?

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Yeah Ian, you pretty much nailed it. There are lots of mini-tips about riding sand but some of the big ones include:

-Get enough speed up to break the "sand barrier" - that is, to get up on top of the sand. At 35-45 you can glide along without much effort.
-Weight back to help keep the load off the front wheel.
-Stay in the power band so if it starts to bog you can throttle it back up on top. Important in turns or other places where you have to slow down a bit. Not much of a chance for downshifts once it starts to bog you.
-If you have to stop, stay on top until the last moment and then shut it down quickly without too much front wheel loading. Intersections are often a mess.
-Other people's ruts, particularly Terraflex trenches, will try to pull you in. Be prepared to roll with it.

There are a ton of tips and examples but you get the idea . . .
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There are a ton of tips and examples but you get the idea . . .
Here's the secret handshake super trick:

Stay on the gas and on the rear brake. Awesome for slow-speed in deep sand, including turns, stops and other sneaky things.
Horsepower helps in this situation, but can still be done on non-KTMs.
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My best advice for sand (coming from my trials "background"), GET OFF YOUR BUTT! Stand up on your feet. Especially helpful when coming down a sandhill as well. If you don't feel like you're sitting on your rear fender, you're not far enough back. Keep your speed\momentum up to keep the front on top of the sand. Example:


Thanks again for the great pics. I think with my new tire setup, and more properly adjusted suspension, that the hill on the G650 shouldn't be an issue.

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Old 08-27-2009, 08:51 PM   #44
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Hey Bryan! How did my log-jump make it into your sand follies?

Great thread!
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Hey Bryan! How did my log-jump make it into your sand follies?

Great thread!
Must've been a SANDalwood tree.

Thanks for the photo op. It is not often you get to photograph a guy in motion as he slides past you while you are casually standing on the road.

Lots of fun memories in these pix.

Sometimes I forget how much time we spend in the sand.
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