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Old 04-26-2011, 05:59 PM   #1336
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Old 05-01-2011, 10:42 AM   #1337
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A Story from the Great Plains.

Pics taken in Scott County, Kansas, along Ladder Creek, the Canyons of El Quartelejo. This is where the last battle in Kansas occurred between the Northern Cheyenne, and the United states Army. The above video describes the event.

These canyon's were home to the Apachee, and Picurue, Pueblo Indians for years.

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Old 05-01-2011, 11:31 AM   #1339
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Originally Posted by Sod Buster View Post

These canyon's were home to the Apache, and Picurue, Pueblo Indians for years.

It is a shame that these places still aren't their home :(

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Thanks for the interesting video, sodbuster, and, as always, great pictures.
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Old 05-01-2011, 05:33 PM   #1341
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The Canyons of El Quartelejo are thirty miles south of I-70 on 83, Dull Knife and Little Wolf pretty much followed the route that 83 takes crossing the Smoky Hill River and trail, north over to Sapa creek near Oberlin Kansas where the massacre of settlers occured. The back and forth between the United States and the plains tribes almost always ended with the innocent paying the price, Indian and White.

A few more video's, I used them in a ride report before but I can't think of a better place to repost them as they are a fascinating tale of the Great Plains, one of many.

Ted Risingsun's story.

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Old 05-01-2011, 06:41 PM   #1342
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Hey Sod,

Thanks for posting the videos, I found them very interesting. I've read a lot about the area and people, but the videos just added to it. Brought back memories of some of my travels in the area. I took a break one afternoon in Lame Deer, got something to drink from the local grocery store and had a wonderful conversation with an older Indian lady who had just won $300 in their annual costume competition.

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Old 05-02-2011, 12:48 AM   #1343
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great stuff Sod,,,,,,,,,,,, thanks for putting up........

i just watched a u.s. doco called 'gaslands'.... about water fracking techniques/ for natural gas production,,, america and the destruction of the water table across u.s.

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Old 05-02-2011, 07:42 PM   #1344
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Thanks for the comments! I probably post to much in this thread but it is my window back to the plains, as I must admit after living in the PNW for a year now I truly miss Kansas, it's prairies and the stories that happened upon them. 4 years to go.

These canyons were an Oasis to the plains tribes, there were groves of old growth trees in these areas along creeks and rivers, most were cut down by settlers and those who supplied the frontier forts with fire wood. The United States army even attemted to guard some of these groves as there destruction was to the Plains Tribes as painfull as the decimation of the buffalo. Many of these groves were burial grounds. Movies show scaffolding being built for burial which was done, but many were laid in a scaffolding in the trees.

From a 1867 Harpers Monthly article of a stage trip up the Smoky Hill. The Smoky Hill Trail to Denver is 10 miles north of El Quartelejo, and pond creek in which the article speaks of is about thirty miles west up the trail near Fort Wallace.

We left the adobe at Smoky Hill Spring, and proceeded with a strong escort, and camped at night at Henshaw Springs, which we found deserted. The following evening we arrived at Pond Creek. During the day a great number of dog villages were passed, the little villagers squeaking out a salute as we passed.
Pond Creek is the most picturesque station on the route. The creek comes out of the plains near a fine cotton-wood grove, runs with considerable current for five or six miles, and sinks into the plains.
Among the branches of the cotton-wood trees are swung the remains of Indians encased in a basket-work of twigs. An engineer party is here purposing to start for Fort Lyon over a new route. The distance is thought to be seventy miles over a country destitute of water. Wood and water are the great necessities of the plains. Over dry stretches it is frequently necessary to transport water for a considerable distance, and fire-wood is frequently hauled to a post a distance of seventy-five or eighty miles. The soil can not be cultivated unless it is located convenient to water with which to irrigate it.
From Pond Creek the stage line had not been disturbed, and we traveled uninterruptedly to Denver, which place we reached on the 2d of December, after a trip of fifteen days across the plains from the Missouri River to the base of the Rocky Mountains.
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Old 05-03-2011, 07:50 AM   #1345
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Keep'em coming Sodbuster, great stuff
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Originally Posted by Sod Buster View Post
Thanks for the comments! I probably post to much in this thread but it is my window back to the plains, as I must admit after living in the PNW for a year now I truly miss Kansas, it's prairies and the stories that happened upon them. 4 years to go.
Never too many of your pics!
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:52 AM   #1347
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Some of the Cheyenne were returned to Dodge City, Kansas for trial for the murder of a mail carrier, they would be acquitted. Photo was taken in Dodge City. The notes on it are written by the son of George reynolds the interpreter.

Bat Masterson, the sheriff of Dodge City, would pick these Northern Cheyenne up in Leavenworth Kansas, they had just attended under guard, the London circus which was in town, Masterson as sheriff of Dodge would return the Cheyenne for trial.
Some times Kansas history is a little surreal.

Great Plains Law Enforcement, Batt Masterson back row far right in the derby, Wyatt Earp front row second from left. Dodge City is about 80 miles south east of El Quartelejo.

You will find groves of ash, cedar, cottonwood, elm, walnut, and willow trees, through out the canyons, the canyons cover about 1100 acres, It would become the first state park in Kansas, 1928.

The Indians who first lived here were Taos, and Picuris, who created a village here along with the plains Apache in about 1664 the village was known as El Cuartelejo, the Apache were known as the Quartelejo band. Another group of Pueblo Picuris moved here in 1669 trying to excape spanish rule, by 1706 the Pueblo Indians were returned to New Mexico by Juan de Ulibarri, this is the furthest east that Pueblo ruins have been found in America.

A Spanish expedition of one hundred men under Pedro de Villazur camped at El Quartelejo in 1720 on it's way north to detrmine the location and strength of the french to the north and east, about 150 miles north of here they were atacked and killed by the Pawnee. French traders are said to have used the pueblo in 1727, shortly after this Ute, Comanche, and Pawnee attacks forced the Quartelejo Apache out of the area and El Quartelejo was abandoned for good.

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Old 05-07-2011, 04:51 PM   #1350
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El Quartelejo.

A little more about El Quartelejo, it is but a small place on the Great Plains but it has a rich history.

El Quartelejo was constructed along Ladder Creek in what is now Scott County, Kansas. This site dates from 1650 to 1750 A.D. and is the northeasternmost pueblo ruin in the United States.
El Quartelejo, is located on state property at Scott lake, as Ladder Creek was damed for recreational purposes.

The lake covers the farm fields of the Indians, there were irrigation ditchs runing from the creek to the fields. The rocks are from the Ogallala formation, Pliocene Epoch, and date back 5 million years. This was the age when rhinoceros, camels, and horses roamed the Kansas plains.
Ladder Creek, which is adjacent to El Cuartelejo, is a spring-fed creek and runs year round. Infrequently—during torrential rains—temporary waterfalls cascade down the hillsides.

Canyons and bluffs surround the ruins from all directions and shield the area from adverse weather. The hills were look-out areas for intruders upon the village and the native rocks were collected for building material in the pueblo’s construction. It is not known whether all the structure was made of native rock or just the foundation with adobe used for the upper walls.

The Indians at this site built irrigation ditches to water their crops in this lush valley environment. Between forty to fifty springs could be found in the valley; many were situated close to Ladder Creek where bottomland was plentiful for raising corn and other crops.
At one time, this whole valley region was an Indian campground. Artifacts found at El Cuartelejo were typical of the Plains Apache Indians. The Plains Apaches roamed further from the pueblo, but also used it as a marketplace for trading buffalo hides for other foods and goods.
Part of the present-day park was a major Apache village. Although there may have been other types of people coming through or camping, archeological evidence points to the Apaches and pueblo dwellers living in this area.

Herb and Eliza Steele homesteaded this land and built a rock house just south of El Cuartelejo. Mr. Steele is credited with discovering these ruins around 1888. According to local newspaper accounts, Mr. Steele observed ground squirrels bringing up parched corn through their holes to the surface. At this point the Kansas Historical Society was contacted about Herb Steele’s findings.
This began one of the earliest archeological digs in the state of Kansas.

In 1897 and1898, Handel T. Martin and Professor S.W. Williston, paleontologists from the University of Kansas, led an archeological dig that verified the ruins as El Cuartelejo. In 1899, Prof. Williston presented and published his scientific findings to the Kansas Historical Society.Martin’s study and investigation was published in 1909. The 1912 Kansas Cyclopedia included the following passage: “After remarking that much of the stone has been taken away by the people living in the vicinity, [Mr. Martin] asks the rather pertinent question: ‘Would it not be well for the state to preserve at this late day our only known pueblo from further destruction?’”

The D.A.R. (Daughters of the American Revolution) Kansas Chapter holds the land deed to El Cuartelejo. In 1925, the D.A.R. erected a granite marker on this site. It was discovered later that the marker was actually on top of part of the pueblo ruins and the marker was subsequently moved further away.

During excavation the lower 2½’ of the stone walls were exposed. The outside walls measured between eighteen and twenty inches thick and surrounded seven different rooms. These rooms ranged in size from 10’ by 14’ to 16’ by 18’. The total pueblo area measures 32’ by 50’. No windows or door evidence was found leading experts to classify the dwelling as a pueblo type ruin.
Charred ends of ladder posts were also uncovered leading to the theory that the pueblo was burned during its later years. Numerous artifacts were uncovered and now reside at the Kansas State Historical Museum and the University of Kansas.

Illegal Immigration has been a problem out here for a long time.

In 1970, Tom Witty of the Kansas State Historical Society re-examined the El Cuartelejo site. Twenty sites were found in conjunction with the pueblo, although only one pueblo building is known to exist. The other sites were either camp areas or storage buildings.
During the excavation the whole pueblo floor, hearths, and locations of posts were unearthed. The outline of the pueblo walls was found to be different then the 1898 dig, and the south porch posts were discovered for the first time. Also found was evidence of an Apache roasting pit under the ruins, pre-dating the pueblo. The walls were then stabilized and informational placards were added.

1664: Taos Indians fleeing from Spanish persecution started moving northward looking for a new home. They settled in the area among the Plains Apaches. This village was called El Cuartelejo and the Apache inhabitants the Cuartelejo band. The Taos Indians remained for only a few years. Before the pre-1680 pueblo revolt in New Mexico, a Spanish expedition led by Juan de Archuleta returned the pueblo Indians back to New Mexico.

1696: Picuris Pueblo Indians resettled El Cuartelejo and joined with their Apache trading partners.

1706: Picuris returned to New Mexico by Spanish General Juan de Ulibarri.

1720: Pedro de Villasur led a Spanish expedition of one hundred men. They camped at El Cuartelejo en-route to scouting for French forces somewhere north and west of this location. They wanted to observe the French soldiers’ strength in numbers and location.
About 150 miles north of the site the Spanish troops died under an attack by bands of Pawnee Indians which supposedly were under French control. El Cuartelejo was considered a potential military outpost for the Spanish after these battles, but the plans were dropped.

1727: French traders were reported by the Indians at this site.

1730s: Frequent Comanche, Ute and Pawnee attacks on the Cuartelejo Apaches forced the abandonment of El Cuartelejo.

Then it became the land of the Southern Cheyenne, and we all know who came next. As you can see, this land has changed hands for as long as there have been men who would claim it as theirs.

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