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Old 11-12-2009, 07:53 AM   #766
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Maybe this is a dumb-ass question on my part, but could applying the wrong torque to the rear axle nut cause this issue? As in, if it's too loose or too tight, it could put undue stress on the bearing and spacer? Doesn't the rear axle and axle nut kind of "squeeze" everything together back there?

If this is the case, all would take from now on is BMWNA making sure their dealers are greasing the bearings and applying the proper torque.
Not a dumb-ass question. Just a repeat. Someone asked this a few pages back and someone else gave a very good reason why that's not the cause of the problems.

Specific enough for ya??
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:51 AM   #767
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I just got my bike back from the dealer (Wild West Honda/BMW, Katy, TX). Here is the invoice with parts and part numbers.

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Old 11-21-2009, 08:58 AM   #768
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This whole mess led me to buying a nice, inexpensive bearing puller.

http://pitposse.com/whbereset.html
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Old 11-21-2009, 09:12 AM   #769
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I just got my bike back from the dealer (Wild West Honda/BMW, Katy, TX). Here is the invoice with parts and part numbers.


Ummm.... that description "mis-machined hub" seems to explain it all. Now if we can just figure out which mfg dates or vin numbers it applies to.
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Old 11-21-2009, 09:20 AM   #770
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The hub part number is the same as the one on the Max BMW parts fische. I wonder if they have updated the hub, if it's a different part number or . . .

tmex, didn't you get a new hub? Did you get a part number for the hub by any chance? I'm just wondering if it's a different hub or they just updated the existing hub.
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:46 AM   #771
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The hub part number is the same as the one on the Max BMW parts fische. I wonder if they have updated the hub, if it's a different part number or . . .

tmex, didn't you get a new hub? Did you get a part number for the hub by any chance? I'm just wondering if it's a different hub or they just updated the existing hub.
I'm thinking it might be that some hubs are mis-machined, others are a-ok.
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Old 11-21-2009, 11:12 AM   #772
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I'm thinking it might be that some hubs are mis-machined, others are a-ok.
I'm just wondering if there's a way to differentiate whether the hub on a particular bike is mis-machined. I suspect mine is since the bearings failed. But is there another way to tell? ie. how is BMW going to solve the problem if it can't tell which bikes have mis-machined hubs??
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Old 11-21-2009, 11:27 AM   #773
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I'm thinking it might be that some hubs are mis-machined, others are a-ok.
Yeah, makes you wonder. The service manager stressed to me that it was my hub that was out of spec and that he could absolutely not give an opinion about any other hub.

But, it seems to me that a way to tell is, if your bearings are grindy, then you have a bad hub. My bike has 15451 miles on it and there was no question that the bearings were rough, especially on the rotor side. Considering we change tires every two to five thousand miles it's not that far fetched to check the bearings at every tire change. I wish there were an easier way though.

Also, if you find yourself at a reluctant dealer, it sure wouldn't hurt to print my invoice picture, and also print or at least refer to Woody's thread.

As far as the new stuff that just got installed on my bike; I'm heading south of the border again in a few days and will be putting on the miles. I'll let you know how it goes.
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Old 11-21-2009, 04:24 PM   #774
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The hub part number is the same as the one on the Max BMW parts fische. I wonder if they have updated the hub, if it's a different part number or . . .

tmex, didn't you get a new hub? Did you get a part number for the hub by any chance? I'm just wondering if it's a different hub or they just updated the existing hub.
I did get a new wheel. I'll check the part number when I am in the same place as the bike - Thanksgiving Day.
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:03 PM   #775
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Still thinking part no won't change. My part is the same as your part or a new part. Has anyone measured enough of the hubs to see if some are bad or all are bad?
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Old 11-21-2009, 09:04 PM   #776
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I do check the feel of all wheel bearings on every bike I remove a wheel from and always have. In fact, it is part of the standard procedure for every tire change by the book.

That is good to know...


To follow up on my second wheel bearing check, the dealer said the bearings feel fine. I know I should get my hands on them to check them out myself but I wasn't there when they were working on the bike (some other warranty stuff going on). This bearing check is 4k miles after my original bearing replacement. My original bearings were replaced at 4.5k. So far so good, I will be keeping an eye on them.

FYI, the original bearings that failed had a black seal and my current bearings have a red/orange seal. We have discussed if this could be a different bearing or not but so far inconclusive...
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Old 11-23-2009, 08:30 AM   #777
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EnderTheX, Woody made a good point on his vendor thread (copied below) that if your bearings failed, it's because the hub bore is too small. If that's the case, replacing the bearings will only delay the problem, i.e. your new bearings will likely fail too. I know that I'll be keeping a very close eye on mine, checking them every couple thousand miles. If mine start to fail again, I'll insist on a new hub. I'll also be looking in my mailbox for a recall notice from BMW.

Here's what Woody had to say:

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here's my Rx for you all...

1,,,i would check my rear bearings first chance possible,,if they are crunchy you definitely have one of the defective hubs,,report it and get it fixed ASAP

2,,,if your bearings are smooth,,relax and keep checking them at least whenever you change your tires,,there obviously are some good ones,,i would bet they figured this all out and corrected it ,,it would be nice to have a specific date,,but what if it was just a bad batch sprinkled through other good ones?????

3,,,if you already had your crunchy bearings replaced before,,,then you have one of the defective mis-machined hubs!!!!!,,,,swapping the bearings didn't cure the problem,,it just delayed the time to get your hub replaced,,,so go to your dealer and ask for another updated hub...please do not con yourself into thinking that the new bearings cured your hub/problem...
good luck guys n gals

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Old 11-23-2009, 10:30 AM   #778
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^^^ thanks for the info. I had heard of woody's analysis and I will also keep a close eye on my bearings. If they fail again I will be camping at my dealer until they order me a new hub.
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Old 11-30-2009, 10:37 AM   #779
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Some guy is saying over at f800riders.org that he had a rear bearing failure on his 2010 build that had a july 09 build date.
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Old 11-30-2009, 01:11 PM   #780
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Some guy is saying over at f800riders.org that he had a rear bearing failure on his 2010 build that had a july 09 build date.
Saw that. First '10 to fail that I've heard of.
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