Wheel bearing disintegrates - F800

[Bluebull2007]

Originally Posted by RedHawk47

This is the key to alleviating your problem Bluebull2007. The right side bearing is intended to "float" in it's position in the hub. It looked like you used a socket to press the bearing in - that presses the outer race only. By using a solid tool the presses both the outer and inner races the bearing will stop at the sleeve and the outer race will be in the proper "float" position.

Guys (Redhawk & Joel) youre both quite right, something flat is better suited for the job. However I still think you might be able to load the inner race (of the problem bearing in this thread) with any kind of pressure from the floating side.

[RedHawk47]

Originally Posted by Bluebull2007

Guys (Redhawk & Joel) youre both quite right, something flat is better suited for the job. However I still think you might be able to load the inner race (of the problem bearing in this thread) with any kind of pressure from the floating side.

Here's Woody's solution:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=38

[Zacharia_11]

Connecting the dots.

Woody's Replacement

[craftycoder]

Originally Posted by jjoster

Well, I mounted a pair of TKCs a couple weeks ago and checked my bearings while I was down there. My rear disc side bearing was decidedly gritty. Humbug! Now I'm trying to get BMW to warranty the replacement and A. they have none. B. they can't tell me if it will be warrantied until after the work is completed. Oh, and they claimed to know nothing about the rear bearings being an issue.

I contacted BMW Atlanta through this board (thanks YetiGS for the tip) and they offered to start stocking the F800GS wheel bearings so I didn't have to have them inspect my bike and then wait for replacements to be delivered. The dealer called me when they had them in stock and I went in today for repair. They said my disc side rear bearing was installed improperly. It was not quite straight in the hole and was having unusual side loading, or something like that. I didn't get to talk to the mechanic directly. They replaced two of my rear bearing under warranty and sent me on my way. I could see that there was some unusual wear marks on the bad bearing opposed to the good bearing they replaced.

My thanks to BMW Motorcycles of Atlanta for taking their responsibility to BMW's customers seriously and going the extra mile for me specifically.

Bobby, you guys rock!

I'll check my bearings again when I replace this new tire and report back if my bearing is wrecked again. I'm guessing it will be fine though.

[woody's wheel works]

Greetings ,,the powers that be have allowed me back in the general forum,,,

so i started checking the various threads of interest these last few days now that the post holiday season has settled down....

and i am truly amazed that this thread with over 800 posts on the subject,not to mention all the ones on the parrallel threads in the vendor section,,have just disappeared.. has everyone been taken care of by their dealers???

only three people showed up at my doorstep....or does it really hold true that if one denies something long enough that the problem goes away???

Just curious

woody

[Zacharia_11]

The thread may become a bit more active with actual instances in a few months...

[robhar54]

Originally Posted by woody's wheel works

...has everyone been taken care of by their dealers???

only three people showed up at my doorstep....or does it really hold true that if one denies something long enough that the problem goes away???

Hey, if BMW would pay for one of your setups I'd be all over it like white on rice! It's a thing o' beauty, and if I ever want to change wheel sizes, I'd do it for sure, no matter what the "official" solution turns out to be.

As it is, my dealer took care of the immediate issue by replacing the bearings on warranty, and I'm waiting for BMW to step up with a permanent solution. I figure I have at least a couple thousand miles before I need to start worrying, and I don't have any big trips planned for the next few months....

Rob in Seattle

[Ducksbane]

Originally Posted by woody's wheel works

Greetings ,,the powers that be have allowed me back in the general forum,,,

so i started checking the various threads of interest these last few days now that the post holiday season has settled down....

and i am truly amazed that this thread with over 800 posts on the subject,not to mention all the ones on the parrallel threads in the vendor section,,have just disappeared.. has everyone been taken care of by their dealers???

only three people showed up at my doorstep....or does it really hold true that if one denies something long enough that the problem goes away???

Just curious

woody

I wasn't going to comment at this point because I was waiting for BMW Australias response ... but since you asked ...

I just replaced my rear TKC80 with a heidenau K60 (great tyre) and guess what, my wheel bearings replaced 5,000 km ago with TKM (couldn't get the BMW bearings, out of stock) have failed again. More TKM bearings (too far to the dealer). So YetiGS, put me down for two (and probably counting!)

The dealer in Newcastle have been good and are asking BMW for a new rear wheel, I don't have their response yet, but if I don't get what I want (NEED actually!) I am prepared to take this a long way up the BMW chain of command.

It's a great bike, perfect for me, but I am still not prepared to be killed or maimed by this fault. Hopefully it will come out alright, I really don't want to get rid of the 800.

As an aside, how's Woodys service to Australia?

[PackMule]

Joel, was there anything official from BMW on this to the dealers? The hub you replaced was based on bore measurements?

My dealer told me my bearings were fine when they checked during the other recall work back in the fall. They most certainly were not fine, but I think they didn't pull the wheel and just rotated/yarded on the wheel. They told me it was a noisy chain.

Just fitted my studded tires, and the bearings are worse than before (no surprise). Still no slop in the wheel yet, though, so I'm going to pull it and bring it in off the bike. See what they say this time.

If there's a hub replacement involved, I'd like to swap to a sanely-sized rim so I can run tubliss.

Just want to be armed with a little info before I go in. Thx.

[woody's wheel works]

Originally Posted by Ducksbane

I wasn't going to comment at this point because I was waiting for BMW Australias response ... but since you asked ...

I just replaced my rear TKC80 with a heidenau K60 (great tyre) and guess what, my wheel bearings replaced 5,000 km ago with TKM (couldn't get the BMW bearings, out of stock) have failed again. More TKM bearings (too far to the dealer). So YetiGS, put me down for two (and probably counting!)

The dealer in Newcastle have been good and are asking BMW for a new rear wheel, I don't have their response yet, but if I don't get what I want (NEED actually!) I am prepared to take this a long way up the BMW chain of command.

It's a great bike, perfect for me, but I am still not prepared to be killed or maimed by this fault. Hopefully it will come out alright, I really don't want to get rid of the 800.

As an aside, how's Woodys service to Australia?

FYI,,i've got a big following down under and take good care of all your requests...
you need to know that in my other thread i forewarned all of you that just replacing the bearings on a hub with the excessive crush problem is like putting a new band -aid on a wound that needs to be cleaned out ...yes you can get a few extra miles out of your bike til the next bearing wears out and fails...you ought to take this info and confront them with the facts,,ask them to measure your bore before they put the next bearing in it!!!..it should be .001''/.025mm under 47mm ie the diameter of your 6204 bearing.

here's the link...
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=505577

[PackMule]

Thanks. Just wanted to make sure I didn't get huffy and demand a new hub if nothing official had been posted on the subject.


Is there any Motorrad policy precluding me from bringing the wheel and sprocket carrier in off the bike? Logistically it's a lot easier, and I want the service manager to put his hands on the bearings while I'm standing there. I don't want the BS stroking I had to go through last time.

I can see them saying "we can't service this without the whole bike, though, because you might reinstall the wheel on your worldly adventure bike incorrectly -- and we couldn't have you blaming us for anything that comes from it". Which, on the one hand, I could understand. And on the other hand, is totally ridiculous.

Unfortunately, ridiculous lawyers seem to run much of what happens in this country these days.


Thanks,

[PackMule]

Ok, thx. I've got the RepRom in addition to the owners manual, and I own (and use, to much amusement of the guys at work) a torque wrench.

[dukedar]

Originally Posted by PackMule

Is there any Motorrad policy precluding me from bringing the wheel and sprocket carrier in off the bike? Logistically it's a lot easier, and I want the service manager to put his hands on the bearings while I'm standing there. I don't want the BS stroking I had to go through last time.

My dealership gives a better rate for tire swaps if you bring them in off of the bike... that and no appointment is required .

They never mentioned any issues with BMW at all...but I will ask them next time! I am getting new tires within the next 2 months, and I intend to bring them in for it AND have them check the bearings again...

[Bayner]

Well, don't worry Woody, you'll be seeing my wheels soon enough...

[YetiGS]

Originally Posted by PackMule

Thanks. Just wanted to make sure I didn't get huffy and demand a new hub if nothing official had been posted on the subject.


Is there any Motorrad policy precluding me from bringing the wheel and sprocket carrier in off the bike? Logistically it's a lot easier, and I want the service manager to put his hands on the bearings while I'm standing there. I don't want the BS stroking I had to go through last time.

I can see them saying "we can't service this without the whole bike, though, because you might reinstall the wheel on your worldly adventure bike incorrectly -- and we couldn't have you blaming us for anything that comes from it". Which, on the one hand, I could understand. And on the other hand, is totally ridiculous.

Unfortunately, ridiculous lawyers seem to run much of what happens in this country these days.


Thanks,

Nate, that's how I brought mine in when I got my bearings replaced under warranty. And the cush bearings too.