ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > GSpot > Parallel Universe
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 04-02-2010, 09:24 PM   #856
YetiGS
No Talent Ass Clown
 
YetiGS's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 7,307
Quote:
Originally Posted by woody's wheel works
i know,,i know,,,stragglers on this thread if ya haven't been here from the beginning will still chime in with ''possible scenarios why these bearings are failing,,,no problem

here's the the link to the analysis i performed on a certifiably notchy wheel bearing ,,,the dozen or so that have been to my shop for ''analysis and repair ''mimicked that one within .0025'',,,essentially all had the disc side bore be smaller then the sprocket side bore an dboth were .001-.0015'' too small/too tight over wheel bearing standards for crush

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=15

this link will take you thru the journey step by step
woody
Woody, can you bore out the hibs to the correct specs?
__________________
-Scott-
Semper Fi
'04 BMW R1150GSA, '04 KTM 625 SXC
"You had better bring an extra magazine. Yeti's amped up on weird shit are hard to bring down." Lonestar2112
YetiGS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 10:55 PM   #857
Bayner
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: Penticton, BC
Oddometer: 1,457
Yes he certainly can!
Thanks for taking care of mine Woody!! Everything looks great.
Bayner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 11:07 PM   #858
KL0RG
Adventurer
 
KL0RG's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Location: The Rock, Alaska
Oddometer: 37
Add me to the list. 01/2009
__________________
'09 F800GS
'97 DR650SE
KL0RG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 03:24 AM   #859
zaner32
In over my head
 
zaner32's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: Moncton
Oddometer: 645
I just checked the rear ones while doing a tire change yesterday and all three are bad. The worst one is the brake rotor side followed by the sprocket carrier. The last one is just starting to get rough.

Build date: 09/08 Sept/2008
Mlileage: 11,796 Km or 7330 miles

I haven't made up my mind on what i'll be doing with the wheel yet.
__________________
97 DR350SE
09 F800GS
"When nothing goes right, go left!
zaner32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 04:30 AM   #860
DockingPilot
Hooked Up and Hard Over
 
DockingPilot's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: Andover, N.J.
Oddometer: 8,867
Wow JP,
you replaced, or will replace, all your bearings ! fore and aft. Must be all those NB beaver ponds you guys ride through....
__________________
Frank Reinbold

"Every bike I ever had, was the best bike I ever had, when I had it"
DockingPilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 05:19 AM   #861
woody's wheel works
Built to Last
 
woody's wheel works's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Location: 39*40'33.86N 104*59'54.69W
Oddometer: 3,298
Quote:
Originally Posted by zaner32
I just checked the rear ones while doing a tire change yesterday and all three are bad. The worst one is the brake rotor side followed by the sprocket carrier. The last one is just starting to get rough.

Build date: 09/08 Sept/2008
Mlileage: 11,796 Km or 7330 miles

I haven't made up my mind on what i'll be doing with the wheel yet.
that is the standard sequence...that script follows the predictions i made based on the measurements of the bad hub's bores....

Rx is simple

1,,get new wheel assy
2,,get new hub and re-lace it with your old spokes /rim or upgrade it to better spokes/rim sizes while you are at it
3,,get someone to repair the bore

swapping bearings on your hub is like adding oil to an oil burning motor

The bottom line based on the historical ,,empirical and irrefutable evidence is there was a bad batch of hubs sprinkled throughout the first couple of years production,,end of story

this saga reminds me of arlo guthrie's "alice's restaurant massacree''...if one person talks about it,,well...
if two people talk about it,,,, and if three people talk about it we are at the start of a movement and if 47 and counting talk about it...well who knows what will happen....
woody

__________________
If you have any questions... Post Em Here
..For more info check our website...
www.woodyswheelworks.com
....Wanna e-mail us... woodyswheelworks@gmail.com
......Wanna talk,,,call us
toll free... 1-866-936-0232
........If you're lost???... GPS = 39*40'33.86N x 104*59'54.69W

woody's wheel works screwed with this post 04-03-2010 at 05:30 AM
woody's wheel works is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 05:39 AM   #862
zaner32
In over my head
 
zaner32's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: Moncton
Oddometer: 645
Woody,

You might get a new client to check/adjust bore (or new hub) and relace a 18" Excel next winter.

For now, I'll do one of these two options...

1. Get the dealer to re-install new bearings in the same hub under warranty. And yes, it made me nauseous to type that sentence.

2. Get a blind bearing removal kit (Should've bought one years ago), remove the bearings myself, emery the bore to increase size and install some SKF/NTN bearings to last me the summer.
__________________
97 DR350SE
09 F800GS
"When nothing goes right, go left!
zaner32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 05:43 AM   #863
zaner32
In over my head
 
zaner32's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Location: Moncton
Oddometer: 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by DockingPilot
Wow JP,
you replaced, or will replace, all your bearings ! fore and aft. Must be all those NB beaver ponds you guys ride through....
Yep Frank... all bearings will be replaced. As for the beaver ponds, we keep those trails for when yanks like you visit.

I'll be going up to Serpentine end of May, first of June. I'll print some pictures from the area and bring them over for Alyre to post up on his wall.
__________________
97 DR350SE
09 F800GS
"When nothing goes right, go left!
zaner32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 06:22 AM   #864
DockingPilot
Hooked Up and Hard Over
 
DockingPilot's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: Andover, N.J.
Oddometer: 8,867
__________________
Frank Reinbold

"Every bike I ever had, was the best bike I ever had, when I had it"
DockingPilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 08:06 AM   #865
YetiGS
No Talent Ass Clown
 
YetiGS's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Location: San Diego
Oddometer: 7,307
Quote:
Originally Posted by woody's wheel works

Rx is simple

1,,get new wheel assy
2,,get new hub and re-lace it with your old spokes /rim or upgrade it to better spokes/rim sizes while you are at it
3,,get someone to repair the bore

swapping bearings on your hub is like adding oil to an oil burning motor

woody

Woody, do you have to disassemble the wheel to bore the hub or can you do it with the wheel still together?

Btw, mine were replaced about 4k miles ago. I'll be checking them today to see how they're doing.
__________________
-Scott-
Semper Fi
'04 BMW R1150GSA, '04 KTM 625 SXC
"You had better bring an extra magazine. Yeti's amped up on weird shit are hard to bring down." Lonestar2112
YetiGS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 09:55 AM   #866
woody's wheel works
Built to Last
 
woody's wheel works's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Location: 39*40'33.86N 104*59'54.69W
Oddometer: 3,298
Quote:
Originally Posted by zaner32
Woody,

You might get a new client to check/adjust bore (or new hub) and relace a 18" Excel next winter.

For now, I'll do one of these two options...

1. Get the dealer to re-install new bearings in the same hub under warranty. And yes, it made me nauseous to type that sentence.

me too...ya see from an ol fogey... TIME is a precious gift,,,so i opt for solutions that get the problem solved the first time every time,,,

the idea of running back n forth to my dealer several times to swap bearings that will inevitably,,,,yes amigos,,,that was not a mis-print...[so sorry..but the laws of the universe are the laws of the universe],,,,,fail again and again regardless of brand...well,,,it just makes me want to ...
...,,,,...:puk e1


to think that my precious time on the planet is being squandered by exercises in futility,,while my trust and respect levels for my beloved marque are being lowered with every repeat visit,,,,compounded by the knowing i just spent my hard earned $$$ on this bike makes me want to.... ,,,,, and all over again

sorry,,that's just the way it is...
woody

PS,,,fellow inmates,,,'tisn't the marque and the engineers that i'm disillusioned with,,shit happens,,, mistakes are made ,,,

BIG BOYS,,admit them and clean up the mess asap...''ooops!!!!,,so sorry!!!! we blew that one ,,bring it in ,,,we'll clean-up the mess!!!!,,and promise to do better next time!!!''

....there is this pervasive sense that somewhere entities are counting beans and ordering components from the lowest bidders,,,crunching R&D time,,,,spending more on fancy show-rooms instead of customer service,,,spending more on advertising the image of the product than providing a product that let's you live and experience the images,,[ in my circles we call that a 'plastic fuzzy' ]

am i alone on this???,,,am i just a lone voice in the wilderness???,,,just wondering ...


Get a blind bearing removal kit (Should've bought one years ago), remove the bearings myself, emery the bore to increase size and install some SKF/NTN bearings to last me the summer.


here's where having a set of inside gauges and micrometer come in handy,,you are removing less then the thickness of a sheet of paper..

,,,and ya want it to be parallel to the bore/axle...it is difficult to get way down there in the corner ...make sure you tap the bearings in concentrically or heat -up and drop em in.etc,etc
__________________
If you have any questions... Post Em Here
..For more info check our website...
www.woodyswheelworks.com
....Wanna e-mail us... woodyswheelworks@gmail.com
......Wanna talk,,,call us
toll free... 1-866-936-0232
........If you're lost???... GPS = 39*40'33.86N x 104*59'54.69W
woody's wheel works is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 01:52 PM   #867
DockingPilot
Hooked Up and Hard Over
 
DockingPilot's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: Andover, N.J.
Oddometer: 8,867
Not that my 800 demostrates it, but I wonder if a self destructing bearing due to crush would show itself in a "hot" to the touch hub ? You would think so.
Anyone ?
__________________
Frank Reinbold

"Every bike I ever had, was the best bike I ever had, when I had it"
DockingPilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 03:53 PM   #868
woody's wheel works
Built to Last
 
woody's wheel works's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Location: 39*40'33.86N 104*59'54.69W
Oddometer: 3,298
hot to the touch hubs= excess heat from somewhere..

Quote:
Originally Posted by DockingPilot
Not that my 800 demonstrates it, but I wonder if a self destructing bearing due to crush would show itself in a "hot" to the touch hub ? You would think so.
Anyone ?
yes!!! that's the first clue,,the next clue is they won't spin freely,,that one isn't as god of an indication because you have a small bearing and a big flywheel,,,same goes for rocking side to side ,,those ball bearings would be close to failure if the wheel could be moved laterally

a well lubricated properly fitted/or adjusted for end play bearing will be cool/warm to the touch....even at higher RPMs...

BWOE i recently cleaned /lubricated and adjusted the end play of the tapered bearings on a double jet ski trailer heading from denver to new orleans...tooling along at 75mph, i was initially concerned about generating too much heat and maybe frying them,,,
i was amazed that they were lukewarm to the touch,,the same experience i have on any of the rest of my bikes and vehicles.

and i've been privy to experiencing the other end of the spectrum where the overtightened bearings on my BMW R750/5 got so hot that they welded the races to the axle and lurched my bike to a suden halt on the freeway...needed a sledge hammer to knock the axle out,,,that's how i learned the importance of 28ft/lbs of torque on the front and 32 ft/lbs of torgue on the rear...never forgot those numbers and never ever wanted to re-experience the swift deceleration from the 85 i was toodling along at.
that's how i learned about the importance of understanding what is happening around the area of the axleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeee33333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 333333333333333333333333333333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333333333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333
33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 3333333333333
33333333333333333

..ooops just nodded of..so that's what that looks like,,sorry it's been a long week
woody
__________________
If you have any questions... Post Em Here
..For more info check our website...
www.woodyswheelworks.com
....Wanna e-mail us... woodyswheelworks@gmail.com
......Wanna talk,,,call us
toll free... 1-866-936-0232
........If you're lost???... GPS = 39*40'33.86N x 104*59'54.69W
woody's wheel works is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 03:58 PM   #869
DockingPilot
Hooked Up and Hard Over
 
DockingPilot's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: Andover, N.J.
Oddometer: 8,867

Thanks for the input Woody.
And mine are cool to the touch after riding, so me's thinks mine could be ok.
__________________
Frank Reinbold

"Every bike I ever had, was the best bike I ever had, when I had it"
DockingPilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2010, 04:34 PM   #870
BykMyk
Gnarly Adventurer
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Location: Fair Oaks, Ca
Oddometer: 262
Well, my experience so far is less than encouraging as far as BMW NA or the "Bean Counters" at der corp stepping up!!! I paid to have my first set of "crunchy" bearings changed and that was at about 1500 miles, here I am at 6500 miles about to do a tire change....any guesses what I'll find re: bearings? My thoughts are that this time I'll insist that they are replaced under warranty so that I can get some riding in this season and also give BMW time to step up....failing that, this fall, Woody you get my business! When my riding buddies ask about my F8, what should I say? Love the bike hate the BMW corporate culture! How about Highland USA !!
__________________
Nobody gets out alive....
BykMyk is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 10:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014