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Old 01-14-2011, 03:28 PM   #1396
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Please don't nuke it. I promise not to call you Dude anymore. At least as far as you know. If you nuke it they will have to up my dosages and thats gonna cost more money. Also, I ride alone and don't know anybody else that will tolerate my stupid questions.
how do you know they are stupid if no one answers......oh wait a minute
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:40 PM   #1397
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Not that bloo's questions are ever stupid, but even if they were, that would fit in well with the Martha Farquar vibe, as both planktonnn and myself were in the '86 Olympic Synchronised Stupidity team, and actually won a shiny bottle top each and, in fact, we still train most weekends, just to keep our hand in.
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:12 AM   #1398
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Ahhhh, Now I get it -
Funnily enough, the more I look at this the more I can see the connections & confluences of where the significant lines line up, so to speak, and the points where various lines intersect coinciding with the placing of design features. I won't bother to make specific references* or produce a version that's tidied up - you can see what I mean though?

* Except maybe just to suggest you follow an obvious one like the line that starts along the rocker cover line, how it intersects other lines at the seat/airbox/tank junction (including the main nose to tail line), and then ends at the termination of the the line running from the top of the seat unit. An interesting 'insight' into the difference between looking 'in' and not.
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:02 AM   #1399
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It's a bit like the Target Design MV Augusta -
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:02 AM   #1400
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:06 AM   #1401
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:20 AM   #1402
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The '82 Ferrari 126C2 designed (primarily) by the genius that was Harvey Postlethwaite has, to me, always been an example of the addage 'if it looks right, it is right', I liked it anyway -
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:26 AM   #1403
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:43 AM   #1404
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I see where you're coming from, planktonnn, which (I think) is to consider the visual as it presents itself, and extrapolating from there...however, here's my thoughts....

Irrespective of what might be called 'design style', form still very much follows function in that ergonomics is the predominant influence. If we stripped off the 'cladding' (seat, front headlamp and fairing and tank) we have a machine created for a human form to be able to sit astride, and control. As we know, motorcycles are based upon a 'standardised' human dimension (height, leg and arm length, spine flex, joint articulation etc) which is why people like me find it hard to get a bike to 'fit' us....

The secondary considerations, such as wheelbase, seat height, vehicle mass, suspension type etc are factored in, in relation to the ergonomics, and thirdly 'style' or more acurately 'fashion' are brought in as the outer skin, for instance in the form of a non-round headlamp and moulded indicators....

Within this element, there are production determinants which will influence both the 'structural' and 'style' considerations, in terms of what can be made, as well as how it all works together in the production line assembly sequences, will have to be thought through.

As a result, and as a consequence of all this human design activity, it is of course possible to see an aesthetic at play ( 'the lines' ).

In regard to the BMW '6' bike, at some point the designers will have wanted to build a bike with a six-cylinder, in line, across-the-frame engine. The 'forward slant' of the engine will have required a specific hanging frame to accomodate it, which the 'standardised' human form will then have been superimposed onto, ergonomically, in terms of footpeg, gear and brake pedal, and hand control positioning. The rear suspension choice
( the 'fashion' for monoshocks in the current trend) will have also determined seat style and position. This leaves the tank to be shaped to fit the available space, and the front fairing/indicators will serve the dual purpose of wind deflection and covering up electronics, cables and so on.

My view is, that any designed thing cannot help but have an aesthetic end result (the 'lines') so long as it's intention is inherently human and true to form/function...the funny thing is, the bikes that you and I like best, are ones which we strip down to their basic functions, and they're still good-looking, because our 'human' needs for our bikes are true to our particular aesthetic ideals, if you see what I mean. Bikes that are built based upon crass 'marketing' are usually ugly in one form or another, for instance Harley's, that get fucked up on a weird 'live to ride' ethic and an even weirder hangup on a totally spurious Hell's Angel myth, whereas a genuine Hog (of any sort) that focuses on two wheels, an engine and somewhere to put your arse, is good looking....

Thank you for the opportunity to actually use my thinking bone...it's been a while, and I'm a bit rusty, but the next time we actually get together, we can discuss this in practical terms with big rulers, lengths of red tape, an enormous protractor and some herbs....
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Another favourite from that time frame is the Brabham BT52 -
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Which of course ran the BMW 4 cylinder turbo engine -
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It may be entirely apocryphal, however I think the story always was that the engine was fragile in its early incarnations maybe due to detonation at higher turbo pressures. It was based on a production block, and I seem to remember they found that using high mileage tempered recycled blocks was the answer to the fragility (along with purportedly very illegal fuel) & off they went -
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...usually ugly in one form or another, for instance Harley's
You're rather disparaging of that brand for a person who has an expanding collection -
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Of course current regulations severely limit a designers options, unlike the old regs -
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Old 01-15-2011, 11:26 AM   #1410
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I see where you're coming from, planktonnn, which (I think) is to consider the visual as it presents itself, and extrapolating from there...however, here's my thoughts....
All food for thought re MeMW K2. I guess I'm just looking at the lines already present in the tank/frame/sidepanel lines, and looking to extend or plug into them with the lines I make the tail piece follow. Not always an easy task with a K -
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