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Old 02-27-2014, 10:52 AM   #1
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Wicked Aeroflow vs Britannia Composites

Hello,

I own a F800gs and I'm ca. 6'2" (187cm) with an Inseam of about 33" I'm Using the humongous Nolan N-104 with big XL shell, maybe I'll switch to the Schuberth C3 to help a bit, but again it means spendig more money.

Currently I'm in the pursuit of my third windshield, I thought that the cheapos could do, they improved the ride but just slightly. Hopefully this is going to be "the one", And now I know i have to be willing to put some more money on it.

The bike is my daily ride, once every two months a pay a visit to backcountry roads and ocasional light mud. I mean, I could even go to track days on it. The bike is not perfect for anything but good for most things doable on a bike.

I used to ride a lot on the road with my harley, since I swapped to this bike, not so much, but the curves and stopping when wet stopped being scary hehe, I dind't know why the excitement got lost I even consider it could be a "brand thing", until recently when I drove a friend's Road King with abs and cruise control and a R1200RT and realized it was because of the comfort -lack of it - I reaffirmed that I don't want a harley for the road and that this bike leaves me exhausted and the end of the day, the r1200rt is quite temptig but it would mean beig stranded in traffic and saying good bye to muddy surfaces. I may add an RT later but for now I'll keep the f8. After 400km I feel like someone ran over me, my wrist hurt, my neck and back ake and I end with a the monkeybutt sindrome.

My options are 2 afer reading everything I could find on the net. I'd love to know if you have one to one experience of the Britannia vs the aeroflow, even better if you are tall riders, for the following options:

1. Briatannia Composites - More reasonable priced and off road friendly, basicaly, a more "democratic" version of the Desierto 3, don't know how good on the road though and the off road capabilities are something I apreciate but not somethng I really take advantage of most of the time, If the wind ptoteccion equals the aeroflow this would be it hands down, if this at least eliminates the buffeting for good this could still be the next aquisition.

2. Aeroflow - Reasonably priced, 100bucks less than the britannia, seems very good on the road but it could be uncomfortable off road due to its height, some say the looks of it is worse than hitting a child, for what I see and care and it doesn't matter (the looks, not hitting children) I care about wind protection to make my rides enjoyable once again and the concern is heat on low speed and hot days and not being able to see propperly when leaving the main roads. I can use a mesh jacket so the visibility or safety issue could be the deterrent, still I'm not an true off roader.

Soon I also want adress the other issues: I'll order a Russell Day Long seat, add a kaoko throttle lock to let my wrist rest and rox risers to have my back srtaight, hopefully I'll solve for good the comfort issues.

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Old 02-27-2014, 12:31 PM   #2
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I can chime in on the mriage but not the aeroflow. The mirage, for some weird reason, looks better in person than it does in pictures. It raises the instrument cluster nicely and overall looks great on the bike. Imo. I am 6'3" with 34" inseam, so torso is probably similar. If the suspension sag is set a bit high and the windshield is to the top, air is very calm at the face, but I do get a tap right on top the helmet. When set all the way up, air flows around the sides agressively and buffets the shoulders at higher speeds. No pressure on the chest or helmet. I prefer to ride with the screen down a few inches. Their is clean air hitting the helmet, and very little pressure or buffeting at the shoulders. I have considered a touratech spoiler, so I could eliminate the shoulder buffet, but I probably won't. Look at some pics and you will see what I mean. When the screen is all the way up, there is a gap in protection below the screen where the screen and fairing meet. Overall I like the mirage.
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Old 02-27-2014, 12:39 PM   #3
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Aeroflow

My wife and I have the Aeroflow on our bikes. I chose it because I had a good experience with their product on my R1100R after trying a couple of alternatives. They give good wind and rain protection without buffeting. They do look funky but I think that's because they don't compromise on performance. We don't ride our F650GSs off-road. I would buy one again.

I have heard good things about the Mirage but don't have any first hand experience.

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Old 02-27-2014, 01:40 PM   #4
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I can chime in on the mriage but not the aeroflow. The mirage, for some weird reason, looks better in person than it does in pictures. It raises the instrument cluster nicely and overall looks great on the bike. Imo. I am 6'3" with 34" inseam, so torso is probably similar. If the suspension sag is set a bit high and the windshield is to the top, air is very calm at the face, but I do get a tap right on top the helmet. When set all the way up, air flows around the sides agressively and buffets the shoulders at higher speeds. No pressure on the chest or helmet. I prefer to ride with the screen down a few inches. Their is clean air hitting the helmet, and very little pressure or buffeting at the shoulders. I have considered a touratech spoiler, so I could eliminate the shoulder buffet, but I probably won't. Look at some pics and you will see what I mean. When the screen is all the way up, there is a gap in protection below the screen where the screen and fairing meet. Overall I like the mirage.
I saw those gaps and I'm glad you considered them on your review. For the way you describe it I feel that the air may be more than I want to get.

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My wife and I have the Aeroflow on our bikes. I chose it because I had a good experience with their product on my R1100R after trying a couple of alternatives. They give good wind and rain protection without buffeting. They do look funky but I think that's because they don't compromise on performance. We don't ride our F650GSs off-road. I would buy one again.

I have heard good things about the Mirage but don't have any first hand experience.

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Old 02-27-2014, 02:52 PM   #5
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You might want to consider the MadStadd, there's a thread about them somewhere here.

I have one and it works well, the adjustability accommodates a pretty wide range
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Old 02-27-2014, 05:43 PM   #6
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I had forgotten about the madstad shields, thanks too
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:48 PM   #7
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there is also the touratech deseirto 3
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:05 AM   #8
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I've always found it equally enjoyable to ride without any wind protection as long as the air that hits the helmet is clean. Have you tried removing the windscreen or using a shorter than stock version? You may actually enjoy that more.
I'm only 5'10 but the rallye seat I use stands quite a bit taller than most and results in some buffeting at the top of my helmet even with the mirage's screen fully up. I'd snoop around for someone near you who has one and try it if possible.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:31 PM   #9
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Re: the The Mirage II:

It is solid as hell, I would not worry about taking it off road - although I haven't actually tested it by landing upside-down on mine yet. It has survived numerous drops, though. The ability to easily and completely slide down the windshield is great too.

Having a really high, solid mounting point for the gps is a big bonus for me, and having the instrument cluster mounted higher than stock is nice as well. Keeps everything in your line of sight and your eyes more on the road.

As has been mentioned, the wind does hit your shoulders some, but it's not a deal breaker for me, and you can easily ride visor-up on the highway if you choose to. It's far, FAR better than the BMW "touring" screen, which made my teeth hurt with all the buffeting. You can actually hear your motor at highway speeds, which I certainly couldn't with anything else.

I've always been intrigued by the Aeroflow products, but then I care much more about functionality than looks - others will not be so tolerant. I imagine they work well on the highway, but I wouldn't want to try any serious off-roading with one. For me, the Mirage has worked brilliantly, and Ian is a joy to deal with.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:34 PM   #10
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I've had the Mirage 2 for quite a while .... really like it. Looks pretty good, is comfortable on the road and you can drop the screen right down for off road. The dash is great and its nice to be able to mount your GPS up high were it almost at eye level. You get a little wind on your shoulders, but I think this is overall the beat screen I've seen for the 800GS. Highly recommended.
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Old 03-01-2014, 03:11 PM   #11
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I have the madstad and it completely eliminates buffeting on the helmet and body. If you attach the added winglets it even eliminates the air flow to your groin and hip region which is very handy in the cold. On a cold day I can wear only a warmer layer under my jacket but keep wearing normal riding jeans and crotch stays warm. I don't often have to rug up though as the screen takes away most of the wind hitting you. I can ride with visor up on the highway and actually hear the engine. Only the outer tips of my legs get cold if anything. I'm 6'2" by the way but don't know what my inseam is. I also had the seat modified by a local upholstery shop who specialises in motorbike seats, raised the handle bars, put a set of grip puppies over the grips to make them fatter and eliminate vibration and also purchased a set of bar end weights off of twisted throttles website to try and eliminate more vibration.

All and all it made it a pretty good tourer and I've done up to 800km a day on it but it's never going to be as smooth or comfy as a road bike.

I'm in the same space as you are in that I've many times thought about going back to a road bike but don't want to part with the ability to go off road and I think I can also carry more crap on it when I want to on those long trips.

This was my setup on a ride half way across Australia and back. Yes I did over pack :)







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Old 03-02-2014, 12:07 AM   #12
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I have the Mirage and I have found it very versatile. I like the adjustability and durability. I have tested its ballistic strength more than I desire. I also like the cockpit layout and the ability to add power connections etc. as well as a good GPS placement. I am about 5' 10'' and do not really have any wind issues.
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Old 03-02-2014, 10:54 PM   #13
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At first i did not thik the winshield was so important but after testing two that are awful with my height Im concerned about getting the correct one.

I hope I can make my mind this week and the options are 4 now it widened :

1. TT Desierto 3. The most expensive of them all, the coolest looking, good reviews everywhere, very adjustable, perhaps limmited protection from the wind, there are even some users who adapted a new screen to it, I didn't find any review from tall riders., but given than the screen has been modiffied the wind protection must be very simmilar to that of the Mirage.

2. Britannia Composites Mirage 2, very much alike the desierto, the best for mounting a gps, adjustable but not as much as the desierto, 300 USD cheaper than the fisrt one, good for off road days not great for wind protection. If only Ian offered a bigger screen option.

3. Aeroflow, seems to be the best option for wind protection, but lacks adjustability and can be bulky and get in the way both on hot days and off road. 100 Bucks less than the mirage. I do mostly road kilometers, so this is tempting.

4. Madstad, very nice wind proteccion maybe it equals the aeroflow screen, not as practical as the desierto or the mirage but still adjustable, and the cheapest option. At 300USD seems to be the best bang for the buck.



Unfortunately living in Mexico, perhaps I'm the tallest rider around, many even feel well served by the oem shield, so no way i can borrow a screen to test befor buying, and of course i don want to waste money.

I better go to bed now.
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:58 AM   #14
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From everything I have read, the mirage is much better for taller riders than the desierto. The new screen is an inch and a half taller. It is way better than stock. There is no pressure anywhere on the body. Nice and quiet. Just the air hitting the shoulders.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:39 PM   #15
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Hello again,

I contacted the vendors and by far the best attention to details, at least about answering my doubt and attending my personal needs came from Ian from Britannia Composites, who reafirmed that the mirage 2 was updated to help us, tall riders without covering 100%. You can tell he designed the product he's selling cause he knows every little thingy about it and what was considerd to design it, as he explains it. It might be the second most expensive, but compared to the touratech there's reciprocal feedback with the designer, so eventhough it's newer it's already been revised and improved to attend the customers' needs.

I felt it was a very personal attention despite taking place by e-mail. He seems to enjoy both: creating things and explaining to people.

Now, I know what everybody says about dealing with Ian, so I'm leaning towards the mirage 2.

Seems to be the best option to achieve a use simmilar to that of the f800gs: a product that won't be best at anything but the best at doing everything good enough.

If i want the comfort and proteccion of the RT, I should get that an RT, if I a fast bike I should get an S1000RR... and so on, for a single do it all bike a dual purpose with improved ergos and comfort will do. May be latter I'll afford to have one bike for each type of use for now let's just improve.

I'll give it a last thought but I like the idea of buyning not only a product but also supporting a diligent service.
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