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Old 08-29-2009, 11:23 PM   #31
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If the bike is being sold as road legal then Yamaha must under current law advertise an on road price so it will be fair to say that anybody who wants to argue will be able to go to their Yamaha dealer and start from the assumption that the bike is $13,990.00 on road then negotiate a discount from that figure.
Really?

I swear almost every vehicle manufacturer advertises $xxx,xxx,xx plus on roads.

Are they all breaking the law or am I a dim-witted fool who should shut up?

edit- found this.... http://www.themotorreport.com.au/313...effect-may-25/

I guess now we'll have to wait for Yamaha to start advertsing the product & price before we start making accusations.
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:25 PM   #32
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The cost of the bike is $13,999, wheather you want to register it or not is not up to yamaha
Rego is about 25-50% of ORC, the rest is dealer profit, I mean dealer expenses for opening the crate and putting it together, you pay it no matter whether you register or not
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:29 PM   #33
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Rego is about 25-50% of ORC, the rest is dealer profit, I mean dealer expenses for opening the crate and putting it together, you pay it no matter whether you register or not
really?

So the RRP is $14k.......plus green slip/rego will cost.......?
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:40 PM   #34
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They cannot advertise the onroad cost because it is different in each state (at least thats what my Suzuki dealer told me )

I think somebody should buy one and lend it out to each of us in turn (I'll go first) so we can give an unbiased option.
Then went it gets down to $10,000 some people might actually buy them in volume
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:47 PM   #35
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That price will be cheap by the time it gets here in 5 years
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:49 PM   #36
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14 grand plus orc and other gear? ouch...
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:51 PM   #37
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really?

So the RRP is $14k.......plus green slip/rego will cost.......?
Yes.
Assembling the bike out of the crate...they call it a dealer charge.
Then add registration on top of that...and they normally add in a dealer charge fee for that as well.
And I do believe that first registration of a vehicle in Oz is slightly more expensive than the registration thereafter? Heard that somewhere once. Not sure though.

Taking note that assembling a bike out of the crate is a pretty simple job.
And sure as hell they're not going to sell many if they just show them to a customer still crated up.

Assembled or non-assembled , sir?

Sure, some of us here would be happy to buy them crated...but then you'd have to sign a waiver agreeing that you bought the bike crated and any assembly problems were then down to you.
So if the front wheel falls off you only have yourself to blame.
Not that it hasn't happened when a bike shop has assembled it anyway.
But at least then you've got some cover.

So yeah..it's 14K plus some more money.

Hard to imagine why motorcycles in Oz don't just run out the door in droves isn't it?
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Old 08-30-2009, 12:09 AM   #38
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They cannot advertise the onroad cost because it is different in each state (at least thats what my Suzuki dealer told me )

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which of course is complete bullshit

I open my paper and I can get an ORC cost for a Maserati but not a motorbike? Burnie, you should know better than to believe anything a Suzuki dealer tells you
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Old 08-30-2009, 12:39 AM   #39
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I don't mean to be rude or offend you, but in my experience people who work in Yamaha dealers are usually the LAST to know anything about what Yamaha is doing with it's bikes!!!
No offence taken. I'm only the idiot standing behind the spares counter!
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I'm only the idiot standing behind the spares counter!
You're going to have to narrow that down some more
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Old 08-30-2009, 01:10 AM   #41
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Yes.
Assembling the bike out of the crate...they call it a dealer charge.
Then add registration on top of that...and they normally add in a dealer charge fee for that as well.
And I do believe that first registration of a vehicle in Oz is slightly more expensive than the registration thereafter? Heard that somewhere once. Not sure though.

Taking note that assembling a bike out of the crate is a pretty simple job.
And sure as hell they're not going to sell many if they just show them to a customer still crated up.

Assembled or non-assembled , sir?

Sure, some of us here would be happy to buy them crated...but then you'd have to sign a waiver agreeing that you bought the bike crated and any assembly problems were then down to you.
So if the front wheel falls off you only have yourself to blame.
Not that it hasn't happened when a bike shop has assembled it anyway.
But at least then you've got some cover.

So yeah..it's 14K plus some more money.

Hard to imagine why motorcycles in Oz don't just run out the door in droves isn't it?
arrrh yeah I forgot about the dealer delivery charge.....it's all starting to add up eh!
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And I do believe that first registration of a vehicle in Oz is slightly more expensive than the registration thereafter? Heard that somewhere once. Not sure though.

I notice a lot of talk about the weight issue, I think what is more important is...how is the weight held in the bike, up high or down low, the tenere looks like the weight is very low slung so the bike probably feels a shit load lighter then the stated weight in the tech notes.


Here in Queensland you pays your stamp duty with your first registration wether it is new or a second hand bike you are buying. Not sure about other states.

While the Suspension on the DR needs upgrading from the day you purchase it at least it boasts 260mm travel at each end unlike the Yam which is near 30kg heavier to boot

And the centre of gravity on the bike makes a difference and yes my TDM seems to carry its weight low and is only 11kg heavier than the Tenere with shit loads more power but i would not want to drag either out of deep sand or mud.

No long travel or modern suspension, weighs a tonne and cost is way up, but they will sell ok after they realise and drop the price.


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Old 08-30-2009, 01:33 AM   #43
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They cannot advertise the onroad cost because it is different in each state (at least thats what my Suzuki dealer told me )
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Some manufacturers are getting around that by advertsing "maximum" on road prices in each state so they list 8 different prices other manufacturers like Suzuki have just pulled the pricing from their web sites.
I can't see how a law that causes manufacturers to pull RRP from promotional material and forces consumers to ask resellers waht the RRP is is a law that provides any benefit to consumers.

I purchased a new car three weeks ago and when I was looking around one dealer (from a manufacturer who no longer advertises prices) tried to highball me $2000.00 on the total price of the car. Great consumer protection I say!
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Some manufacturers are getting around that by advertsing "maximum" on road prices in each state so they list 8 different prices other manufacturers like Suzuki have just pulled the pricing from their web sites.
I can't see how a law that causes manufacturers to pull RRP from promotional material and forces consumers to ask resellers waht the RRP is is a law that provides any benefit to consumers.

I purchased a new car three weeks ago and when I was looking around one dealer (from a manufacturer who no longer advertises prices) tried to highball me $2000.00 on the total price of the car. Great consumer protection I say!
Crims will always find a way of stealing from you no matter what laws are in place. Its not the law's fault.

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Old 08-30-2009, 03:11 AM   #45
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go to a different dealer
I did better.
I purchased an entirely different make and model of car.
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