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Old 04-02-2013, 11:29 AM   #586
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I have a T-63 on my 21" front and it's been the toughest b**ch to spoon on or off the rim, can't imagine what a rear must be like.

Try resting the tire next to a warm (not HOT!) heat source, like an electric heater ... or maybe sleep with it ...


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Gave up eventually and did it the regular way. That T-63 rear was a stubborn SOB.
EDIT: missed this part, glad you made it.
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:05 AM   #587
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I have a T-63 on my 21" front and it's been the toughest b**ch to spoon on or off the rim, can't imagine what a rear must be like.

Try resting the tire next to a warm (not HOT!) heat source, like an electric heater ... or maybe sleep with it ...

EDIT: missed this part, glad you made it.
Thanks Lupin.

I placed the tire on top of the floor heat register in the house for 90 minutes or so to warm it. An hour or 2 in the sunshine seems to be the best way, but we aren't having much of that here yet.

We put a T-63 rear on Wifey's Super Sherpa last year, and it was difficult too. Her T-63 front wasn't nearly too bad

On my bike, I have run MT-21 fronts the last 2 changes, and they are easier to mount.

I really wanted the zip tie method to work. I suspect I needed to cinch the ties tighter. Will do more research before the next attempt.
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:12 AM   #588
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I'm working on changing my tires for the first time this weekend...well, second time total, first time working with a tubed tire. Of course, after spending all day yesterday fighting it, I find this thread and see things that I've been doing wrong.

I'm changing out the stock Battle Wings on my 800 XC and putting on Full Bores. Just been working with the rear so far, but holy hell, it's been an effort so far--these tires are stiff! Took way longer than expected to get the old rear off, and then WAY more effort than expected to get the new one on. (In hindsight, I realize we weren't doing a good job of keeping the opposite bead in the dish.) Eventually though, we got the tire on the rim, and right as we were going to try inflating it, I noticed I'd pinched the tube under the bead. Not wanting to deal with it anymore for the evening, I set it aside for today.

Hopefully things go better today, but I'm wondering, is the tube compromised now that it's been pinched, or is it OK to pull it off and start over since I never tried airing it up?
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:17 AM   #589
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Put some air in and see if you pinched a hole in it, if no leaks why not use it.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:59 AM   #590
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First try and a problem

O.K. this may not be the correct place for this question but I will try anyway.

I am not ready to try swapping out the tires on my V-Strom at home yet, but I did remove/re-install my rear wheel after having someone else (Cycle Gear) actually put on the new tire.

Here's the problem. When I put the new tire on I flipped the axle end-to-end as recommended by a lot of V-Strom'ers, which worked my better. The problem is that, when I installed the axle/wheel I had to loosen the chain adjustment bolts on both sides just to get the axle in. And even after loosening it about 1 full turn, the chain is tight. Like much tighter than it was before I started.

This make no sense at all to me. Why would the adjustment change when replacing a tire? Any chance I totally screwed the pooch on this?

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Old 04-15-2013, 09:51 PM   #591
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O.K. this may not be the correct place for this question but I will try anyway.

I am not ready to try swapping out the tires on my V-Strom at home yet, but I did remove/re-install my rear wheel after having someone else (Cycle Gear) actually put on the new tire.

Here's the problem. When I put the new tire on I flipped the axle end-to-end as recommended by a lot of V-Strom'ers, which worked my better. The problem is that, when I installed the axle/wheel I had to loosen the chain adjustment bolts on both sides just to get the axle in. And even after loosening it about 1 full turn, the chain is tight. Like much tighter than it was before I started.

This make no sense at all to me. Why would the adjustment change when replacing a tire? Any chance I totally screwed the pooch on this?

Thanks in advance.

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Have you put the axle back to the original position and seen if the chain adjusts ok?

Reason I ask is a buddy adjusted his chain too tight with a heavy load: he blew out the clutch and shifter on a pothole. Ugly mess ----
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:58 PM   #592
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O.K. this may not be the correct place for this question but I will try anyway.

I am not ready to try swapping out the tires on my V-Strom at home yet, but I did remove/re-install my rear wheel after having someone else (Cycle Gear) actually put on the new tire.

Here's the problem. When I put the new tire on I flipped the axle end-to-end as recommended by a lot of V-Strom'ers, which worked my better. The problem is that, when I installed the axle/wheel I had to loosen the chain adjustment bolts on both sides just to get the axle in. And even after loosening it about 1 full turn, the chain is tight. Like much tighter than it was before I started.

This make no sense at all to me. Why would the adjustment change when replacing a tire? Any chance I totally screwed the pooch on this?

Thanks in advance.

Kevan "Wretch with a wrench" Garrett
Go back over your work. Make certain that the chain is riding properly on the primary and secondary sprockets. Make certain that the chain adjusters are properly seated on the ends of the swingarm. Spin the back wheel and make certain that the chain is tracking in a straight line on the sprockets. Make certain the the axle is properly engaged with the adjusters. If all else fails, change the axle back to the original configuration.
I put over 33,000 miles on my Wee Strom and never saw any need to change the axle installation.
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Old 04-16-2013, 05:19 AM   #593
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Eventually though, we got the tire on the rim, and right as we were going to try inflating it, I noticed I'd pinched the tube under the bead. Not wanting to deal with it anymore for the evening, I set it aside for today.

Hopefully things go better today, but I'm wondering, is the tube compromised now that it's been pinched, or is it OK to pull it off and start over since I never tried airing it up?
Remount the tire with a new tube. Even if the tube does not leak now, it may very well blow out down the road in a week or two. I hope you like your Full Bore tires, I've put a set on an XRR and they are wearing like iron, perfect for dual sportin.in Mexico.
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:44 AM   #594
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Great tips here...filed away for future use.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:31 PM   #595
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Another successfull change thanks to Neduro

Just changed my, I believe, sixth or seventh tire. I was having an unbelievable amount of trouble, which is unusual, but reviewed Ned's instructions, kept the bead in the dish ( I had forgotten that point) and had it on lickety-split!
A thousand thanks to Neduro!
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Old 05-04-2013, 05:55 AM   #596
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yeah, that bead in the dish thing is the main point.... i just bought one of those tusk bead buddy's from RATV, and those are the shizzit... getting another one as i type this.... w/2 of them, set at 90 degrees apart, the bead is pretty much in the dish everywhere you're working... real easy!....
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:27 PM   #597
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Just did my first tire change ever :)

It took me ~5 hours including drilling holes an installing rimlocks, however, I finished the operation without pinching any tubes, that'll count as a success for me.

Breaking the bead of the rear K60 Scout (140/80-18) was a rather tricky thing, in the end we managed to do it...with three people and a crossbar.

I installed Mt21's by the way.



Thanks for the tutorial, sure helped me along the way
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:03 PM   #598
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Great thread

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Old 06-29-2013, 02:36 PM   #599
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Changing tires myself for the first time.

Good instructions and swapped the front without much trouble.

I have run into a completely different problem on the rear.

I am working on a 2000 LC4 640.

I can't get the axle out. I removed the nut and adjuster on the right side. Loosened the adjuster on the left. with much effort and penetrating oil I have it out about 2 inches and am having a hell of a time getting the axle to move further to allow the wheel to be removed.

Am I missing something here? Is there something else to remove to get the axle to slide out?

I got it soaking with more penetrating oil and and will fight with it again later.

Any advice would be appreciated. Hopefully getting the tire on the rear won't be as hard as getting the axle out.

Thanks
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:33 AM   #600
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Changing tires myself for the first time.

Good instructions and swapped the front without much trouble.

I have run into a completely different problem on the rear.

I am working on a 2000 LC4 640.

I can't get the axle out. I removed the nut and adjuster on the right side. Loosened the adjuster on the left. with much effort and penetrating oil I have it out about 2 inches and am having a hell of a time getting the axle to move further to allow the wheel to be removed.

Am I missing something here? Is there something else to remove to get the axle to slide out?

I got it soaking with more penetrating oil and and will fight with it again later.

Any advice would be appreciated. Hopefully getting the tire on the rear won't be as hard as getting the axle out.

Thanks
Grease the axle that's showing and then tap it back in and rotate the axle . Grease the threaded side and try removing it again while rotating. Some people forget to grease the axles which makes it hard to remove them with time.
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