ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Thumpers
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 01-17-2011, 08:00 PM   #781
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,364
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW Atlanta View Post
Why? when you take a pickup truck out into the desert, do you modify it to have a hand crank?

I really don't understand all this fear of not having a kick starter on current generation fuel injected bikes. Would I want to take a kick starter off of a KTM300EXC? NO, it can foul a plug easily and kill a battery try to get things going. However with a fuel injected bike the chances of fouling out a plug or cylinder is slim to none short of sucking in water and if that happens pull the plug very quickly to clear it out and conserve battery power.

The two times I've been on a fuel injected thumper and they decided to not restart, it was super easy to roll start because of the fuel injection spraying fuel into the intake runner and allowing it to fire right up within 1-2' of distance after dropping the clutch rather then 2-3 revolutions of the crank waiting for the carb to catch it's breath.
I agree, but a 610 is decidedly NOT easy to bump start. I presume the 630 is a similar level of not easy
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2011, 08:15 PM   #782
Some Dude
what attitude problem???
 
Some Dude's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Location: Woodstock, GA
Oddometer: 4,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by xymotic View Post
I agree, but a 610 is decidedly NOT easy to bump start. I presume the 630 is a similar level of not easy
with all fuel injected bikes the trick to the bump start is to hit the starter button immediately before engaging the clutch so that the fuel pump is primed with what little battery juice there is, then they usually turn over pretty quick.
__________________
Just some dude on the internet,..
Some Dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2011, 08:18 PM   #783
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,364
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW Atlanta View Post
with all fuel injected bikes the trick to the bump start is to hit the starter button immediately before engaging the clutch so that the fuel pump is primed with what little battery juice there is, then they usually turn over pretty quick.
Yeah, well... if the starter worked, I wouldna needed to bump start it And the pump primes when turning on the key.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2011, 08:42 PM   #784
Some Dude
what attitude problem???
 
Some Dude's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Location: Woodstock, GA
Oddometer: 4,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by xymotic View Post
Yeah, well... if the starter worked, I wouldna needed to bump start it And the pump primes when turning on the key.
overriding the clutch switch is also a very good idea for when that starter just barely wants to crank, without the safety switch it's possible to hit the starter while attemting the roll start. The combination of a little bit of battery/starter assistance and wheel load makes it a tad easier.

You should try roll starting a 1200 boxer
__________________
Just some dude on the internet,..
Some Dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2011, 10:41 AM   #785
Fast1
Twisted Throttle
 
Fast1's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: Bridge over Troubled Water
Oddometer: 1,751
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW Atlanta View Post
You should try roll starting a 1200 boxer
I've bump started by two-seater roadster... about 4 times the weight of a 1200.. but that was on pavement so I could get foot traction to get it moving..
__________________
11 Husqvarna TE630
11 Husqvarna SM630
08 Husqvarna TE510- sold
10 Yamaha FJR 1300
Fast1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2011, 10:56 AM   #786
Navin
Unwounding
 
Navin's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Oddometer: 6,388
Bumping a big single is pretty easy kiddies. In top gear, roll it backwards till she hits a wall of compression. You have just set it past TDC on the compression stroke, now back in neutral, get it rolling and pop into gear, I've used 1st on a LC4 620SX. Like butter if its a properly running bike.
Navin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2011, 11:57 AM   #787
Navin
Unwounding
 
Navin's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Oddometer: 6,388
Now, if you ran into a foot of sand without a redundant starter, a tow strap or a friend, who can you blame?

Boosting the engine over via another bikes spinning rear wheel is easier than even kicking it but I can dream up a scenario where the bike is in 40' of water so what then?

Thats an old bump start tip for big thumpers that aren't buried in sand or upside down in the middle of a lake. Hope nobody ever needs it but its good to know.
Navin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2011, 07:53 PM   #788
Adv Grifter
on the road o'dreams
 
Adv Grifter's Avatar
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Location: Passing ADV Stalkers in California
Oddometer: 6,128
Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW Atlanta View Post
overriding the clutch switch is also a very good idea for when that starter just barely wants to crank, without the safety switch it's possible to hit the starter while attemting the roll start. The combination of a little bit of battery/starter assistance and wheel load makes it a tad easier.

You should try roll starting a 1200 boxer
I agree ... well maintained modern 4 strokes should not need a kick starter fitted.

Bump starting is all about the surface and hills. If you've got hills then no problemo. Bump starting a 600 single in deep desert sand on a flat surface ain't easy when solo.

In Baja we would "Foot Peg" guys to get 'em going. Some are better at this than others. Experts only.

I've bump started big BMW's (why is it the BMW's that fail?) on cross country trip, for two weeks . (Broken starter motor) Tough on cold, wet mornings.

I learned to bump start as a kid racing moto cross. (14 years old) The big bikes are really no different and no problem with just a hint of down hill on good pavement. It's all about good technique. Sand and dirt changes everything.
Adv Grifter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2011, 08:05 PM   #789
ram1000
Beastly Adventurer
 
ram1000's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Location: Tricities Washington
Oddometer: 1,756
Quote:
Originally Posted by xymotic View Post
I agree, but a 610 is decidedly NOT easy to bump start. I presume the 630 is a similar level of not easy
Its a whole lot easier to bump start, than fabricating a kick starter onto it.
__________________
Chrome and noise are no reason to ride a motorcycle!
:2002 KTM 640 DS :2003 Suzuki GSXR1000
:2005.5 KTM 950 :2007 VStrom 1000
:2008 DR650 :2009 Aprilia DorsoDuro
:2009 KLR 650 :more to come
ram1000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2011, 08:07 PM   #790
xymotic
Beastly Adventurer
 
xymotic's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Federal Way, WA
Oddometer: 8,364
Quote:
Originally Posted by ram1000 View Post
Its a whole lot easier to bump start, than fabricating a kick starter onto it.
And we're baaaccckkkk
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Sean
Oh for ***k's sake Aaron. Please link us to my fascist, racist or homophobic posts.
"Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either."
Albert Einstein


Baja trip to the tip
6:10 to Yuma
trials and tribulations in the Mojave
Baja Blitz Yard sale
View Current Location via Spot Tracker

xymotic screwed with this post 01-18-2011 at 08:31 PM
xymotic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2011, 08:30 PM   #791
LRPct
Gnarly Adventurer
 
LRPct's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Location: Nw Ct.
Oddometer: 489
Lol.. and nevermind George already explained WHY a 610 is TRUELY harder to bumpstart than the average thumper....... AND also explained ways to work around those "quirks" and to help make it easier.... Just like how he clearly explained the very logical reasons that a kicker won't work either....
LRPct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2011, 10:53 AM   #792
Fast1
Twisted Throttle
 
Fast1's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: Bridge over Troubled Water
Oddometer: 1,751
Quote:
Originally Posted by LRPct View Post
Lol.. and nevermind George already explained WHY a 610 is TRUELY harder to bumpstart than the average thumper....... AND also explained ways to work around those "quirks" and to help make it easier.... Just like how he clearly explained the very logical reasons that a kicker won't work either....
but the only thing he forgot to do is explain how assembled his kicker in the gear box of his "beer bet" conversion.. which I have to believe knowing his knowledge, would be very easy to do.

Kinda just like everyone else does on this site when inquiries are made about modifications.
__________________
11 Husqvarna TE630
11 Husqvarna SM630
08 Husqvarna TE510- sold
10 Yamaha FJR 1300
Fast1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2011, 01:33 PM   #793
bobnoxious67
Baby steps...
 
bobnoxious67's Avatar
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Location: Marion, MA
Oddometer: 2,156
Maybe you guys should start a "kickstart on Husky 610/630" thread

And while you're at it, start a thread for fast55 so he can rant about how the 510 is such a better adventure bike than the 610/630

Holy crap..........
__________________
"turn it on man, turn it on-whatever, whoever you are-TURN THE FAWKER ON!" -Herbert Foster Gunnison

01 Girlie
09 TE450
bobnoxious67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2011, 02:24 PM   #794
Fast1
Twisted Throttle
 
Fast1's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Location: Bridge over Troubled Water
Oddometer: 1,751
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobnoxious67 View Post
And while you're at it, start a thread for fast55 so he can rant about how the WR250R is such a better adventure bike than the 610

Holy crap..........


fixed it for ya
__________________
11 Husqvarna TE630
11 Husqvarna SM630
08 Husqvarna TE510- sold
10 Yamaha FJR 1300
Fast1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2011, 05:35 PM   #795
Some Dude
what attitude problem???
 
Some Dude's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Location: Woodstock, GA
Oddometer: 4,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast55 View Post
fixed it for ya
Ohhh, 08 TE510? Ya might not want to use the kick starter too much. It's got the same assembly that's been failing on the TC's and the only difference between the TC and TE is the TE has electric start = not using the kicker. There is a technical service bulletin from HSQ to replace the kick starter gear assembly on 08 TC's only as HSQ IT felt the TE/TXC kicker isn't necessary anyhow. If it fails it can crack the crank case cover, so use your kicker sparingly, I'd hate to have to try kicking it over to life in the boondies only to wind up with metal bits floating around the case and oily air blowing out the freshly formed crack

(that ought to give the 610/630 crowd some ammo)
__________________
Just some dude on the internet,..
Some Dude is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 07:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014