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Old 04-04-2012, 11:18 AM   #1201
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There were ~300,000 motorcycles sold in Italy in 2010. In 2011, there were about 370,000 motorcycles sold in the US. For the record, 220,000 of those were Harleys, leaving 150,000 "other" motorcycles sold in the US per year.

In Italy in 2010, there were 1847 Multistradas sold.

I don't know how many Miltis are sold in the US each year, but based on these numbers it can't possibly be more than, say, 1,000. I suspect that it is probably more like 250-500.

So, let's say Motus steals ALL Multistrada sales. They may sell 500 units. Is that enough to keep them in business? Perhaps, but that's only 15 mil in revenue, which seems pretty small...

(see: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=649206, http://www.acem.eu/cms/marketfigures.php, http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...statistics.htm)
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:21 AM   #1202
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Just popping in to say that I am very disappointed in how the development of this bike has gone, especially the MSRP.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:52 AM   #1203
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I just want to say, if I ever agree with anything Boxer-lust posts on this site, please stab me in the face.
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Old 04-04-2012, 02:01 PM   #1204
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I just want to say, if I ever agree with anything Boxer-lust posts on this site, please stab me in the face.
He's the ultimate contra-indicator. If you disagree you're probably on the right side of the point.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:33 PM   #1205
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No one is choosing between Motus and some other bike, because they think it might be a better value. You either want it or you don't.

Some guy came through here, said I might pick one up, I'd like to check it out. He'll probably still get it.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:47 PM   #1206
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A proper sport touring machine requires a belt drive by definition.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:58 PM   #1207
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:08 PM   #1208
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You know, there are some people in Canada who'd probably buy this. Exchange rates are at par, and yet they get fucked by every other brand by about 20-30%.

So there, I've sold three of them.
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:10 PM   #1209
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You know, there are some people in Canada who'd probably buy this. Exchange rates are at par, and yet they get fucked by every other brand by about 20-30%.

So there, I've sold three of them.
What is the cost of ownership as opposed to a moose?
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:37 PM   #1210
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No one is choosing between Motus and some other bike, because they think it might be a better value. You either want it or you don't.

Some guy came through here, said I might pick one up, I'd like to check it out. He'll probably still get it.
Uh... well, I'm NOT getting one (and was considering) as my K1200R is a better value and very likely a better machine. It's backward logic, but just as valid as I would not have both.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:39 PM   #1211
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Uh... well, I'm NOT getting one (and was considering) as my K1200R is a better value and very likely a better machine. It's backward logic, but just as valid as I would not have both.
Well, in one way it kind of makes me mad, but it's just bidness. Maybe they already had a 1000 firm commitments from guys just like you, and found the price point that would drop 80% because they only wanted to make 200 bikes. I suspect they've already sold however many bikes they need, to do the first run. My understanding from the beginning was that it was going to be a bike for like, movie stars.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:04 AM   #1212
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... my K1200R is a better value and very likely a better machine. ...
Fair enough.

But, is there any bike (other than the K12R) that this would NOT be true of?

That is, is there a bike that is better value and very likely a better machine than your K12R?

Just asking ...
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:08 AM   #1213
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Fair enough.

But, is there any bike (other than the K12R) that this would NOT be true of?

That is, is there a bike that is better value and very likely a better machine than your K12R?

Just asking ...
Yes. The K1300R. But I can't get it in the states. Of course, this is partly a subjective call. But I have had a lot of machines and my K12R does everything I want from a bike, plus has ESA and ABS, which I want, but that's just me. Nevertheless, when I'm buying a bike in the higher price world I expect it to be innovative as well as fast and competent.

I think this: the world doesn't need Ferrari anymore. (Nor Aston Martin, Maserati etc.), it just wants them. There was a time, however, if you wanted an innovative, brilliantly handling car, you had to spend some serious money for a Porsche or something. But, those days are over. The C6 Corvette, properly equipped (like with magnetic suspension) will keep up with or even crush most, much more expensive "exotics". The mag suspension (designed by Cadillac and, I believe, a/c Delco) is one of the most brilliant suspension innovation in years. And, of course, is now licensed by Ferrari. Get it? GM creates a technology that Ferrari needs to borrow so it can keep up with Cadillac. Only a slight exaggeration. Times have changed. So, if I am going to spend a bunch of money on a bike, it better be technologically innovative and not just "cool". IMHO.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:57 AM   #1214
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Cos let me fascinate you even more...!
The "perfect sport tourer" is a bike that is......
This is how you can spot a troll a mile away. Opinions are always stated as fact. Usually the 'facts' are stated to be inflamitory for the troll's amusement.

lusty is a one brand, narrow focus, shifting opinion troll interested in motorcycles. Keyboard commando who wouldn't dare spout his worthless facts in a group of more than himself.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:55 PM   #1215
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What is the cost of ownership as opposed to a moose?
Gotta be more specific. White or brown?

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