Alternative oil filter choice

TUCKERS · 10-08-2009, 10:53 PM

(2) R1150GS's single spark.

We just finished a 6000+ miles trip on 2 GS's using:

Purolator Precision Motorcycle Oil Filter # ML16825

Some pretty hard fast riding at high speeds.

Must say it was cool installing Purolator replacements at a third of the cost of BMW filters.

Nothing changed except the money in my pocket

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They look just like the BMW filters, seem to work just like them and you can even write BMW on them with a black marker if you like

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That's all folks, just thought I'd share

rkjjeep · 10-09-2009, 02:23 AM

be nice to know the diff between the purolator "motorcycle" filter above and the L10241 which also works just fine

Petethepup · 10-09-2009, 03:25 AM

If a bike is in warranty, my lawyerly recommendation is to use BMW filters. If you experience an oil-flow related problem - spun bearing, that kind of thing, don't expect BMW to cover it if the bike has an aftermarket filter.

If a bike is out of warranty and the oil filter fails & the paper parts eat a bearing, and the filter is non BMW, don't expect BMW to pay for any repair. I know of two cases where this happened - to 1000cc K engines. Way out of warranty. BMW covered the engine rebuild where a BMW filter failed. BMW said "have fun rebuilding your engine" where the filter was non BMW.

Guess it comes down to a roll of the dice. Probably a pretty safe roll - filter failures are rare. But, if it comes up snake eyes, prepare for that fun $1,000 rebuild.

dhk · 10-09-2009, 08:14 AM

If you type motorcycle oil filter into google you can find some interesting reading. Basically the BMW filters are the best. The are glass matrix and a lot of it so the catch mote smaller particles and so your engine last longer. Maybe they should but one on their final drives. Anyhow I use mobile one filters for card which are also glass matrix and about 7 bucks and available around the corner from you.

Peace

grantsdad · 10-09-2009, 04:04 PM

AFAIK all full-flow oil filters employ a bypass relief valve in case the filter media becomes saturated with particulates. Bypass may also be achieved if the oil is too thick to flow through the media at a given rate. I'm pretty sure Mahle is the manufacturer of 'BMW' branded filters but detailed information about them is hard to find. At least for me.

There are a lot of filters that have a 3/4-16 thread that will fit the boxer motors, but are they running in by-pass prematurely? Or does the BP valve open later than it should?

Another thing to consider is the GPM flow rating of the BMW (Mahle) filter. What is it? Does the filter you're using provide the same GPM?

All that being said I am currently using 1150-specified filters from K&N, Bosch and WIX on my 1200. (The nearest BMW dealer is 2-1/2 hours away. It's not a fun ride either) I like the extra capacity of the 1150 filters although the BP rating might be different. These boxer motors are pretty simple (durable) by design, that's a good thing. I worry more about the FD than the oil filter.

My bike is out of warranty; wouldn't a failure have to be proven caused by the filter to void a warranty? Magnusson-Moss?

grantsdad · 10-09-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petethepup

If a bike is in warranty, my lawyerly recommendation is to use BMW filters. If you experience an oil-flow related problem - spun bearing, that kind of thing, don't expect BMW to cover it if the bike has an aftermarket filter.

If a bike is out of warranty and the oil filter fails & the paper parts eat a bearing, and the filter is non BMW, don't expect BMW to pay for any repair. I know of two cases where this happened - to 1000cc K engines. Way out of warranty. BMW covered the engine rebuild where a BMW filter failed. BMW said "have fun rebuilding your engine" where the filter was non BMW.

Guess it comes down to a roll of the dice. Probably a pretty safe roll - filter failures are rare. But, if it comes up snake eyes, prepare for that fun $1,000 rebuild.

How did BMW determine that the filter in question was being used at the time of failure? A motor 'way out of warranty' could have used a non-BMW branded filter somewhere during it's lifetime, right? Unless of course it was dealer serviced and documented.

Please forgive my tone. I don't mean to sound abrasive; curious minds want to know.

JimVonBaden · 10-11-2009, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grantsdad

How did BMW determine that the filter in question was being used at the time of failure? A motor 'way out of warranty' could have used a non-BMW branded filter somewhere during it's lifetime, right? Unless of course it was dealer serviced and documented.

Please forgive my tone. I don't mean to sound abrasive; curious minds want to know.

Never heard of a BMW, or any other, filter failing, on a BMW or anything else.

Jim

Poolside · 10-11-2009, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petethepup

If a bike is out of warranty and the oil filter fails & the paper parts eat a bearing, and the filter is non BMW, don't expect BMW to pay for any repair.

I know of two cases where this happened - to 1000cc K engines. Way out of warranty. BMW covered the engine rebuild where a BMW filter failed.

I know of 17 cases where this happened... so far this year!!!

It's a very common problem. It happens every time someone asks about aftermarket oil filters.

configurationspace · 10-11-2009, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poolside

I know of 17 cases where this happened... so far this year!!!

It's a very common problem. It happens every time someone asks about aftermarket oil filters.

I wore non-BMW boots to my dealer and my ABS failed!!

HelmetHead Cycle · 10-11-2009, 03:00 PM

What about a K&N oil filter? Any comments?

Limey 1 · 10-11-2009, 03:25 PM

I demand 'made in America'....therefore during the past 5 plus years for my R1100R Oilhead, I have used only Walmart # 3614 Super Tech ..made in USA.... $2.89 ea

Teager · 10-11-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poolside

I know of 17 cases where this happened... so far this year!!!

It's a very common problem. It happens every time someone asks about aftermarket oil filters.

Now that's funny!

rider1150gsadv · 10-11-2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limey 1

I demand 'made in America'....therefore during the past 5 plus years for my R1100R Oilhead, I have used only Walmart # 3614 Super Tech ..made in USA.... $2.89 ea

justJeff · 10-11-2009, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limey 1

I demand 'made in America'....therefore during the past 5 plus years for my R1100R Oilhead, I have used only Walmart # 3614 Super Tech ..made in USA.... $2.89 ea

So you demand only American made products for your (German made) bike?

def · 10-11-2009, 07:25 PM

Mobil1 and Purolator filters are both high quality and can be used without concern on boxers. Avoid Fram oil filters due to the cardboard endcap construction. If the endcap fails, you will end up with cardboard debris in an oil gallery where it will do damage.

10-08-2009, 10:53 PM	#1
TUCKERS ^OP the famous james Joined: Dec 2005 Location: Villa Maria Sanitarium, Claremont, CA. Oddometer: 8,181	Alternative oil filter choice (2) R1150GS's single spark. We just finished a 6000+ miles trip on 2 GS's using: Purolator Precision Motorcycle Oil Filter # ML16825 Some pretty hard fast riding at high speeds. Must say it was cool installing Purolator replacements at a third of the cost of BMW filters. Nothing changed except the money in my pocket . They look just like the BMW filters, seem to work just like them and you can even write BMW on them with a black marker if you like . That's all folks, just thought I'd share __________________ I am not intimidated by the DMV James and Colleen Tucker. DMV service. Moto buy/prep. Room rentals. Travelers help. Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

10-09-2009, 03:25 AM	#3
Petethepup Adventurer Joined: Aug 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Oddometer: 80	Watch that warranty; watch that product liability If a bike is in warranty, my lawyerly recommendation is to use BMW filters. If you experience an oil-flow related problem - spun bearing, that kind of thing, don't expect BMW to cover it if the bike has an aftermarket filter. If a bike is out of warranty and the oil filter fails & the paper parts eat a bearing, and the filter is non BMW, don't expect BMW to pay for any repair. I know of two cases where this happened - to 1000cc K engines. Way out of warranty. BMW covered the engine rebuild where a BMW filter failed. BMW said "have fun rebuilding your engine" where the filter was non BMW. Guess it comes down to a roll of the dice. Probably a pretty safe roll - filter failures are rare. But, if it comes up snake eyes, prepare for that fun $1,000 rebuild. __________________ Petethepup I used to love bikes. Now it's gotten serious.

10-09-2009, 08:14 AM	#4
dhk dhk Joined: Mar 2008 Location: Iowa City Oddometer: 41	Oil filter If you type motorcycle oil filter into google you can find some interesting reading. Basically the BMW filters are the best. The are glass matrix and a lot of it so the catch mote smaller particles and so your engine last longer. Maybe they should but one on their final drives. Anyhow I use mobile one filters for card which are also glass matrix and about 7 bucks and available around the corner from you. Peace

10-09-2009, 04:04 PM	#5
grantsdad Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2008 Location: California Oddometer: 179	bypass valve AFAIK all full-flow oil filters employ a bypass relief valve in case the filter media becomes saturated with particulates. Bypass may also be achieved if the oil is too thick to flow through the media at a given rate. I'm pretty sure Mahle is the manufacturer of 'BMW' branded filters but detailed information about them is hard to find. At least for me. There are a lot of filters that have a 3/4-16 thread that will fit the boxer motors, but are they running in by-pass prematurely? Or does the BP valve open later than it should? Another thing to consider is the GPM flow rating of the BMW (Mahle) filter. What is it? Does the filter you're using provide the same GPM? All that being said I am currently using 1150-specified filters from K&N, Bosch and WIX on my 1200. (The nearest BMW dealer is 2-1/2 hours away. It's not a fun ride either) I like the extra capacity of the 1150 filters although the BP rating might be different. These boxer motors are pretty simple (durable) by design, that's a good thing. I worry more about the FD than the oil filter. My bike is out of warranty; wouldn't a failure have to be proven caused by the filter to void a warranty? Magnusson-Moss? __________________ smugmug spot

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10-09-2009, 02:23 AM	#2
rkjjeep Studly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Oddometer: 522	be nice to know the diff between the purolator "motorcycle" filter above and the L10241 which also works just fine

10-11-2009, 03:00 PM	#10
HelmetHead Cycle Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Aug 2008 Location: NE Georgia Oddometer: 282	What about a K&N oil filter? Any comments?

10-11-2009, 03:25 PM	#11
Limey 1 Adventurer Joined: Apr 2009 Location: Iowa Oddometer: 65	I demand 'made in America'....therefore during the past 5 plus years for my R1100R Oilhead, I have used only Walmart # 3614 Super Tech ..made in USA.... $2.89 ea

10-11-2009, 07:25 PM	#15
def I have little to say Joined: Feb 2004 Location: The woods and mountains of Alabama Oddometer: 6,480	Mobil1 and Purolator filters are both high quality and can be used without concern on boxers. Avoid Fram oil filters due to the cardboard endcap construction. If the endcap fails, you will end up with cardboard debris in an oil gallery where it will do damage.