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Old 12-02-2009, 05:10 PM   #31
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My butt time is about to increase as I migrate from tourist to getting home Gringo.

Might be missing southern Pacific Mexico on the way back. Up near Yucatan, and not wanting to go back South offroad in Guate. I think I discovered the difference between a KLR and a KTM 690.

What would you do?
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:52 PM   #32
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Bump this thread.

My butt time is about to increase as I migrate from tourist to getting home Gringo.

Might be missing southern Pacific Mexico on the way back. Up near Yucatan, and not wanting to go back South offroad in Guate. I think I discovered the difference between a KLR and a KTM 690.

What would you do?
Ride your ride, but keep your inner scientist occupied by taking anal notes. By now I doubt that you have the distance or speed to influence your moving average speed. Cumulative moving average, total miles, and total butt time- that's the question. When you're done we'll have Dave make a pretty chart.
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Old 04-28-2010, 07:57 AM   #33
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:16 AM   #34
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Ken and a few others have mentioned the idea of flying the bike to Colombia, "and biting the shipping bullet." I'm going to suggest that shipping the bike to Colombia is not only faster, but cheaper.

I get about 40 mpg on my '96 R1100GS. Some bikes get about 50-60 mpg. If it's 3000 miles from Texas to Panama, that's 50 to 75 gallons. At $4/gallon, that's $200 to $300 in gas.

I get about 4,000 miles off a rear TKC, 4000-8,000 off a front. Rear TKC's are about $175 in the US, $250 elsewhere. Front TKC's are about $150 in the US, over $200 elsewhere. Figure on a set of tires to get to Panama. That's another $325-$400.

Oil change. My oil filter costs about $20, plus $5/quart for fancy BMW oil. Add another $50.

Hotels. It'll take at least a week (iron butt style), or a month (normal style) to get to Panama. Hotels are about $15-$25/night. You can find cheap hostels, and you can stay at the Marriot, but $20/night seems reasonable. That's $140-$600 in hotels.

Borders- I can't remember what they all cost, but I think it's a little less than $100, total?

Cuotas- in Mexico the toll roads aren't cheap. If you take them half-way, it's at least $100. Take them all the way, and I think it's closer to $200.

Travel Insurance- you buy it by the day/week/month. It's not cheap. Say $25-$50/month, depending on what kind you get.

I'm not including food or beer cuz we all gotta eat.

Riding costs somewhere between $940 and $1520.

I'm in Wisconsin as I type this. It's almost 2000 miles from here to the US/Mexico border. So for me, add three nights in a hotel and 50 gallons of fuel at today's $3/gallon... another $300.

Shipping to Colombia costs about $1500-$2000 from most major US cities.

Right?
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:12 AM   #35
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I agree with everything that bananaman wrote, I would only add one thing.

Any break down on your way to Panama would increase the total expense. Granted any bike can break down whether it is in Central or South America. Now add to that aggravation, that fact that you may have to ship parts in from another country and you get to enjoy the local customs agency and it friendly staff and also additional freight/shipping cost.

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Old 01-12-2011, 06:07 AM   #36
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:54 AM   #37
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I think I'm with Bouldergeek on this one. No way in hell I could do an SA trip from home in four months. Well, yeah, I guess I could do it, but it sure wouldnt be much fun. How would one make time for wine, women and beer? Or something like that.
Being a tourist is one thing. tourists spend around 2 weeks in one place for the most part. If you ride SA in 4 months, youre not even a tourist, youre more like a ghost.


All that said, I definitely made the wrong choice for a bike to do the trip given the fact that I ride about one week then sit for four. The DRZ would have been perfect for this. A 300 mile range, no battery needed, can be re-jetted in 15 minutes, weighs 280 lbs soaking wet, and I can damned near do a top end rebuild with my tool kit. Anyway, a moot point now. Lets just see how the 990 holds up.
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Old 10-18-2013, 11:38 PM   #38
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Thanks for the math bananaman.

Mid November Colleen and James will set off for TDF. We will test your theory.
We are simply going to ride to TDF the quickest/shortest route, straight there no detours. We have a sailing booked for 6th December on the Rat.

We have a set amount of money and 6 months max to get there and back (we may ship back).

We figure 200 miles a day on average.

We will be riding two DR650's.

We are not trying to break any records, our goal is just to get to TDF. We choose our time frame and method and money after much deliberation with our family.

We hope to do some 400 mile days and bank some days for R&R etc.

We have 'done' the other three corners of this land mass so it's a personal goal rather than anything else.

We want to 'ride' the bikes the whole way (except Darien of course).

We will keep a log of miles and money, and intend to just keep moving south until half our time runs out or half our money.

We MAY extend the time down and fly back if the money allows it.

We are not too concerned about not making it.

We'll do a boring ride report.
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Old 10-19-2013, 11:08 AM   #39
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Thanks for the math bananaman.

Mid November Colleen and James will set of for TDF. We will test your theory.
We are simply going to ride to TDF the quickest/shortest route, straight there no detours. We have a sailing booked for 6th December on the Rat.

We have a set amount of money and 6 months max to get there and back (we may ship back).

We figure 200 miles a day on average.

We will be riding two DR650's.

We are not trying to break any records, our goal is just to get to TDF. We choose our time frame and method and money after much deliberation with our family.

We hope to do some 400 mile days and bank some days for R&R etc.

We have 'done' the other three corners of this land mass so it's a personal goal rather than anything else.

We want to 'ride' the bikes the whole way (except Darien of course).

We will keep a log of miles and money, and intend to just keep moving south until half our time runs out or half our money.

We MAY extend the time down and fly back if the money allows it.

We are not too concerned about not making it.

We'll do a boring ride report.
It's waaay cheaper to fly back than to ride.

When I was heading back, somebody reminded me that more people are killed going Down everest than going Up.
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:57 PM   #40
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Yep. It's just the Badge of Honor though, riding there and back.

We rode to Labrador and back
We rode to Alaska and back
We rode to Florida and back

I think starting out and coming home are the high impact areas for sure.
Last September 2012 we set out for Cabo San Lucas and within 650 miles I hit a cow and was on my way home!

Money may/will prevail though. We'll see how much we spend in 12,000 miles or 3 months and then figure it from there.

I'm thinking $9000 to get there not including the darn almost $2000 we'll need for the Rat...so what $11,000. Pretty sure we can get ourselves and the bikes flown from BA to Los A for much less!
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Old 10-19-2013, 07:25 PM   #41
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There are two separate categories of cost: daily personal expense, and $/mile.

No matter what your pace or route, your $/mile is about the same.

Your personal expenses are the same if you move or stay put.

Round trip is just more miles.

Your choice of fun is your business.
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:01 AM   #42
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Yeah. We figure $100 for gas and lodging for two. We don't count food as we eat if we stay home.
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Old 10-20-2013, 01:27 PM   #43
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$100/day is blind. Dumb. Sorry but $100/day means nothing.

13,000 miles of fuel tires oil breakdowns for two bikes and you're in Ushuaia. At 50 mpg you need 260 gallons. Fuel prices vary but you can estimate $4/gallon. That's about $1,000 for fuel. (I average about 40 mpg so I'd need 325 gallons, and $1,300.)

I used up 3 sets of tires.

I did 3 oil changes.

I wore out one set of brake pads.

I destroyed 1 set of side cases, one clutch, one fly wheel, and one starter. All of this was avoidable but really fun.

None of this is related to time. For example, Vinny took a couple of years. Others have done it in a month. Some ride under powered mopeds and dirt bikes. You could actually do the entire Pan Americana on any bike- cruiser, sport bike, Harley, goldwing, big GS, antique, etc. If you wanted to race it, I'd suggest a monster tank.

Your daily cost is just lodging and food. $15-$50/day per person is normal.

Don't forget country-specific insurance and border crossing fees. Also notice they're independent of time.

Panama/Colombia is $$$.

Getting back by air: ask Sandra at www.dakarmotos.com. Your bikes would be cheap to fly.
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Old 10-20-2013, 06:25 PM   #44
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Look me up before you leave Panama. I'll escort you around the Highlands, and cross with you at Rio Sereno.
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Old 10-20-2013, 08:50 PM   #45
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Look me up before you leave Panama. I'll escort you around the Highlands, and cross with you at Rio Sereno.
We plan to be around Panama 3/4th December, co-ordinate with Ludwig on the 5th and sail on the 6th.
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