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Old 11-24-2009, 11:26 AM   #76
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Maybe 43 indicated on bike speedometers that, like all bike speedometers, are notoriously unreliable. 40-41 is more realistic based on real world riders. Check out the C3 specific forums sometime.
If memory serves, the speedo on the C3/Giggle in the US market only goes to 40 MPH. It was based on Police radar in a case where I was an expert witness for the defense and the rider weighed more than 250 lbs.
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Old 11-24-2009, 11:46 AM   #77
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The countries that I was thinking about are mostly in places like Europe, South America, and Asia, where there is a thriving performance scooter culture, and strict emission controls...
Italy would be your example then? The 4 stroke Hondas like the Sh150i are the popular scooters there these days. Or maybe some Asian country like the Philippines? The 4 stroke underbones like the Honda Wave (updated version of the old Super Cub) are super popular there.

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...Where in China is the Beamer made? I thought it is made in Taiwan, where Yamaha makes scooters. Check before you post...
I did check before I posted. From the E-ton America website:
"North American subsidiary of Ji-ee, a Chinese manufacture of ATVs, scooters, and motorcycles."
I don't have a Beamer in the yard to check the VIN plate. You own one right, what's yours say?

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...I don't hate hondas, I merely think they are overpriced and poorly engineered compared to other Scooters on the market. They have become the Buick of the 2 wheel market, safe and vanilla.

Somehow I doubt that last one. You tend to hear it when it's not true.
The mistakes and mis-information about scooters that you've posted over the last few days gives your opinion little credence in my book. Others may take your advice, but I do not.

Lastly, I don't feel like getting into a pissing match about non-scooter things with you because you matter so little to me. You know almost nothing about me to make that last comment. But what little of my online/public persona there is would indicate contra your wisecrack. Perhaps you should read back a couple months and find the post about my buying my wife an Aprilia 500ie scooter this fall--nothing cheap there. I had the money to buy her anything she wanted and that's what she wanted. I could've shelled out for the Vespa GTS 300 (pretty much the priciest of scooters available), but she wanted a bigger engine.

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Old 11-24-2009, 06:05 PM   #78
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MOPED MEDIC...

Thought you might like to know: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/05...ls-its/#Replay

Yes, the most popular motor vehicle of all times is a scooter... a 4-STROKE engined mode of transport MADE BY HONDA.

Oh, and here's a vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaeKr...sells-its.html

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Old 11-24-2009, 08:14 PM   #79
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:36 PM   #80
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MOPED MEDIC...

Thought you might like to know: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/05...ls-its/#Replay

Yes, the most popular motor vehicle of all times is a scooter... a 4-STROKE engined mode of transport MADE BY HONDA.

Oh, and here's a vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaeKr...sells-its.html
This is the vehicle Honda is using in South America to take on the Chinese. They make them in Brazil now and the locals can buy them for just a little more than a Chinese scooter in many countries. A couple guys I met on the road to Ushuaia were riding them from Prudhoe Bay to Tierra Del Fuego.

But it's not a scooiter.
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:14 PM   #81
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I seized my Stella at 2800 miles. I was told, after some rude remarks from Genuine about my riding skills, that in fact the oil pump had broken and thus deprived the motor of lubrication. genuine finally fixed it under warranty and i sold my $4000 scooter for $1000. I had endless problems with fasteners and electrical connections in the four months I owned the 50 mph piece of crap.
I bought a Vespa GTS and rode that for 9,000 miles until it started crapping out with an intermittent electrical problem. It was diagnosed as a failed relay after the fuel injection system was stripped, replaced and repaired over three months. The mechanic at the Vespa shop berated me for riding the scooter too fast (never over 70 mph sustained, he told me angrily. They can't take it). I sold my $7200 Vespa for $3500. I loved it when it went but it was just too unreliable and expensive ( and uncomfortable for my wife though I found it excellent for me in terms of rider comfort).

I sensed a pattern here and bought a 2007 Triumph Bonneville which has served me well for two years and 34,000 miles. I commute 25 miles each way year round.

I remember my two stroke Vespas as reliable and easy to use machines and I have a hankering to get a refurbished P200 but my wife says I can only have one daily rider at a time, so I use her Vespa ET4 (150cc) when I can and I love the fact that it does 65mph no problems, is comfortable and fun. Had I got the carburetted GT200 Vespa I'd probably still have it....

The Hammerhead 150? I love the looks and the concept but it will need to prove itself in terms of reliability and ease of daily use. I hope my comments can serve as a perspective based on experience and not as a way to piss on anyone's particular parade.
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Old 11-25-2009, 12:55 AM   #82
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This is the vehicle Honda is using in South America to take on the Chinese. They make them in Brazil now and the locals can buy them for just a little more than a Chinese scooter in many countries. A couple guys I met on the road to Ushuaia were riding them from Prudhoe Bay to Tierra Del Fuego.

But it's not a scooter.
Technically speaking, you're correct... it's a step-through/underbone motorcycle, but most people who aren't in the know will call it a scooter when they see it. By the way, no comment about the most popular motorbike/vehicle of all time being a 4-STROKE machine... and a HONDA?
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Old 11-25-2009, 09:08 AM   #83
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Technically speaking, you're correct... it's a step-through/underbone motorcycle, but most people who aren't in the know will call it a scooter when they see it. By the way, no comment about the most popular motorbike/vehicle of all time being a 4-STROKE machine... and a HONDA?
I had one. They are great. My first bike was a CT70 that I rode the piss out of. I have nothing against Honda products, but the company has gone from one of the innovators with exciting new product to a company that just keeps delivering Vanilla soft-serve. They just don't make fun stuff anymore.
Technically speaking, everything we put a moped tag on in South Carolina is a scooter, because there are no pedals. And as a purist, that bothers me.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:39 PM   #84
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Technically speaking, everything we put a moped tag on in South Carolina is a scooter, because there are no pedals. And as a purist, that bothers me.
Misuse of the word "moped" bothers me too. It seems to get applied to any motorcycle under 650ccs'. I kid you not, I purchased a Honda twin-star (200cc) for my daughter a few years ago and people ware calling it a moped. I have heard the Kawasaki 250ninja called a moped.

A short story about a friend of my daughters, this girl wanted a moped. Her parents looked into it and somewhere in the discussion of it at DMV they git the idea that she needed a motorcycle license. That is because what the salesman was calling a moped was not a moped at all. That is where the parents of this girl called me (I was about the only motorcycle rider they knew). It turns out that she was looking at Buell Blast, a 500cc bike. The sales man was calling it a moped.

I think the thing that really bugs me about it is that I would like to see mopeds some back to the prominence they had in the early 80s'. They provided a great way to transition form bicycle riding habits to motorcycle habits. Then the state got involved and, essentially, declared them to be motorcycles. My moped had a city issued bicycle license. that was in a suburb of Los Angeles.

I realize that the state of California has , sense, relaxed the moped regulations. But, it was too late. they killed the market. Now kids start out on 500cc bikes, or even street licensed race bikes that we call 600cc sport bikes. It is no surprise that so many kids get killed on motorcycles. They are starting on race bikes instead of developing those skills at the controlled speeds of a true moped.

Yes, I would like to see mopeds come back to the level of popularity they had in the 80s'.

So, what made them so popular? Well, first, they were cheap. However, they are even cheaper now. In th e80s' they were about 600-800 dollars. Considering inflation they are much cheaper now. The only licensing required was a learners permit. This meant that anyone who wanted to could ride them. They were licensed as a bicycle and generally, like a bicycle, not insured. This also made them cheap. No helmet laws at the time. like it or not, that ws the rule at the time. So, there was no "putting on the riding gear" it was as simple as get on and ride. So, it looks like the formula was 1. cheap 2. no licensing or insurance requirements, and a third being, easy to acquire. There were moped dealers all over the place, nuch like the scooter dealers are now.

Yes, I would like to see Mopeds have a revival. However, I doube it will happen, There was atipping point that made mopeds attractive. The states stopped that and now young riders no longer see their friends on them, they see their friends on, or wanting 600cc sport bikes. ON the oart of the states, it was a stupid move and only intentional promotion will be able to undo it, and that wont happen.
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Old 11-26-2009, 08:03 AM   #85
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I've lost track of the rants I've written here about the crackdown on mopeds and 50 cc scoots. People in our town gripe about the lack of parking spaces, yet the powers-that-be want 50cc bikes tagged, which would then require them to take up one parking space each...versus little 50's and mopeds snugging up in little spots here and there, getting their owners back and forth with no drama. So many low-tech transportation solutions are right here under our noses and have been for years--mopeds, 50's, little underbone bikes, and so on--and they are treated like annoyances by a society that considers them all "likker sickles".

And, yeah, I miss the true mopeds in terms of the niche they fill so nicely. I've always admired simple, durable designs.

In NC, you're either a "moped" or a motorcycle, with the restricted 50cc scoots falling into the moped category. That moped category gets kicked around by the legislature every year as they either try to do something good or something bad to the category.

There are a couple of college kids here in town that have some kitted mopeds (Moped Army denizens, no doubt) and they fly around the downtown/college area, having a blast, usually paired up. It makes me grin every time I see them because they "get it" and seem to be as happy as they can be.
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Yes, I would like to see Mopeds have a revival. However, I doube it will happen, There was a tipping point that made mopeds attractive. The states stopped that and now young riders no longer see their friends on them, they see their friends on, or wanting 600cc sport bikes. ON the oart of the states, it was a stupid move and only intentional promotion will be able to undo it, and that wont happen.
Your observations about mopeds being good 'gateway' intros to riding was well-made. We just seduced our neighbors into riding via my wife's '09 Tomos ST. Nice to see those wide Wow!-That-was-a-blast' grins on faces for the first time - now they're jonesin'...
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:50 AM   #87
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A vendor over on Planet Minis is now selling real mopeds for those who would like to relive their youth.
Back in the day, My father had a 1927 Franklin doctor's coupe that I used to drag race true mopeds. I could beat then if they didn't cheat and pedal.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:24 PM   #89
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WELL THE FIRST 110 La Vita 150-EFI are in the USA on the way to the Dallas warehouse and then out to the dealers . My guess is most dealers who have pre ordered will have them on the sales floor in less than 3 weeks . Only the black color units have the 2 seperate seats on this first shipment the others have the full length single. The next group of 300 + are due in April and a steady supply of them should flow after that. Its been a long project for a lot of very patient people at Hammerhead and abroad now its ...RIDE ON LA VITA !!
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Old 01-26-2010, 08:03 PM   #90
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WELL THE FIRST 110 La Vita 150-EFI are in the USA on the way to the Dallas warehouse and then out to the dealers . My guess is most dealers who have pre ordered will have them on the sales floor in less than 3 weeks . Only the black color units have the 2 seperate seats on this first shipment the others have the full length single. The next group of 300 + are due in April and a steady supply of them should flow after that. Its been a long project for a lot of very patient people at Hammerhead and abroad now its ...RIDE ON LA VITA !!
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Are they still selling for $2,499 + shipping and taxes? That price doesn't seem that low anymore since scooter makers and shops are really struggling with so much unsold product on the floor.

People here on the Battlescooter section are reporting deals for very similar new scoots, like the SYM Fiddle 125, for $1600. Even the brick and mortar Chinese scooter shops in my town--not drop shipper/Ebay company, a place with an actual repair dept--are advertising new "Venice" 150's for $999.

This seems to be a tough time to get a whole new product going.
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