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Old 09-19-2004, 05:53 AM   #91
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Now that's just sad...

Sorry to hear about your tale of woe. My limited knowledge base means that my usefulness has run out in your scenario. Please continue the tread as your diagnosis is made, I can't fathom what it might be.
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Old 09-19-2004, 08:49 AM   #92
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Sorry to hear things are going deeper, Curtis. I wouldn't write off your clutch swap as necessarily a bad thing, as it loked pretty cooked as it was. Sure, ya coulda got a few more miles out of it, but it wasn't a bad investment.

I'd start from the FD and work up- make sure the FD is solid, (which it probably is, or you would hear it) then the driveshaft (cush coupling stripped?) then on to the tranny.

A lot of work, a bummer to be sure, but you may as well be methodical before digging into the tranny.

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Old 09-19-2004, 10:30 AM   #93
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I got all the special tools I needed yesterday and going to dig in this morning, oh it is morning.

I'm not quite sure how I will verify if the cush drive is spinning. When I get it out, I will know if it's a visual thing. I thought I might try to chuck it in my vice and hold a cheater pipe somehow on the other end and try to rotate it. Or maybe try to rotate it while still attached to the transmission splines.

I feel pretty confident it's not my transission, no metal noise. You would think if a metal part was damaged so much it would spin without providing any power it would be making some noise or would have made noise as it failed.

I rotated my tire until I could feel the tranmission spline/gear catch and stop it and then a little more pressure and it spun. As it spun I didn't hear any noise at all. Not even a gear rotating sound.
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Old 09-19-2004, 11:38 AM   #94
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I removed the fina drive and looked up in the swingarm. I think I'm lookin at the rubber cush drive inside the tube and it looks shredded to me. I'll know more when I get itall the way out.

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Old 09-19-2004, 12:17 PM   #95
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Hey curtis "if" you gots the time -- post a few more shots of that failure and the components. It would be interesting to see what the hell happened from a few different angles.

looks like some aluminum from the housing got shaved off?

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Old 09-19-2004, 01:45 PM   #96
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Shaft is out now and I would think this leaves no doubt as to the source of my immense grief.

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Old 09-19-2004, 01:54 PM   #97
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Dam that’s a mess Isn’t your bike under warranty? I would think the driveshaft be covered. Driveshaft part# 26-11-7-671-303

Is there oil leaking on the driveshaft? Diff. seal, trans. output seal? Oil on the rubber would make it soft and come apart like that.
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Old 09-19-2004, 02:20 PM   #98
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How about goo

Now I'll get a new shaft and plan my reinstall.

I got some of that red loctite stick for the bolts. I noticed some white grease in the bearing preload bolts, what's that goo? Also BMW calls for "Staburags NBU 30 PTM" on the transmission/final drive splines.

Interesting that BMW spec's a different lube for the input splines vs. the output splines. On the clutch splines I used Honda Moly 60 and I'm thinking that should be good stuff for the output/final drive splines?

I noticed my clutch and transmission splines were dry as a bone when I removed them. Final drive still seemed lubed.

The fixed bearing preload on the final drive had the chamfered portion stay on the bolt. I'm not sure if that bearing needs to be replaced or if that chamfered portion on the bolt is normal.

While this is all apart should the swingarm and final drive bearings be replaced? Poolside you seem to be the expert?
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Old 09-19-2004, 02:24 PM   #99
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Dam that’s a mess Isn’t your bike under warranty? I would think the driveshaft be covered. Driveshaft part# 26-11-7-671-303

Is there oil leaking on the driveshaft? Diff. seal, trans. output seal? Oil on the rubber would make it soft and come apart like that.
48K on my bike. I didn't see any sign of oil leaks and transmission/ final drive oil changes looked full.

I think the cause quite possibly is my bad behavior when riding. I must be nicer to my machine from now on.
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I think the cause quite possibly is my bad behavior when riding. I must be nicer to my machine from now on.
f... that ride it like a bat out of hell! Looks alittle slimey from oil to me. Did you check the rear diff. pinion seal?
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Old 09-19-2004, 03:41 PM   #101
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f... that ride it like a bat out of hell! Looks alittle slimey from oil to me. Did you check the rear diff. pinion seal?
It's molten rubber shmegma. Apparently that slipping driveline generates a little heat.

Inside the swingarm was rubber particles all over the place. There's no oil on the u-joint from the final drive.
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It's molten rubber shmegma.
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Now I'll get a new shaft and plan my reinstall.

I got some of that red loctite stick for the bolts. I noticed some white grease in the bearing preload bolts, what's that goo? Also BMW calls for "Staburags NBU 30 PTM" on the transmission/final drive splines.

Interesting that BMW spec's a different lube for the input splines vs. the output splines. On the clutch splines I used Honda Moly 60 and I'm thinking that should be good stuff for the output/final drive splines?

I noticed my clutch and transmission splines were dry as a bone when I removed them. Final drive still seemed lubed.

The fixed bearing preload on the final drive had the chamfered portion stay on the bolt. I'm not sure if that bearing needs to be replaced or if that chamfered portion on the bolt is normal.

While this is all apart should the swingarm and final drive bearings be replaced? Poolside you seem to be the expert?
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Old 09-19-2004, 07:45 PM   #104
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I had the final drive retorqued once due to a little play. When I removed the final drive, I thought sloppy work because he didn't reloctite the screw.

The procedure you forwarded mentioned a bulletin to not loctite the floating stud. Now I understand why he didn't reloctite.

Also my shaft makes phasing unneccesary. The final drive splines are keyed and will only go on one way.
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Old 09-20-2004, 07:09 AM   #105
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while you have it apart (again)

Best to replace the final drive pivot bearings. BM says they are a maintenance item, that should be swapped at 24K miles. Chi BMW has em for about $22/ea.

I just did mine at 31K miles, as the FD was clunking back and forth. Definitely kaput. Part numbers and such readily available via the search button..
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