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Old 01-15-2015, 01:33 PM   #1
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Cameras in the trees at Walker Valley

In an attempt to prevent users from entering closed areas, the DNR has posted some cameras near the trail heads. They will activate upon sensing motion and can send signals to law enforcement's phones. Since the area has been posted as closed during night time hours, the cameras will help officials catch offenders. An officer has been deployed on the night shift to watch for just this type of offence. No mention of cameras in "way out" locations, but that's a possibility especially if neighboring land owners complain. I enjoy night riding but have witnessed some very bad behavior (mostly the outlaw 4x4 crowd) at night. Maybe this will chase the bad apples out and the DNR can back off.
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Old 01-15-2015, 09:27 PM   #2
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Old 01-16-2015, 07:38 AM   #3
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I enjoy a night ride, especially in the summer.

The woods are different in the dark.

Night enduros at Walker used to be my favorite event of the year.
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Old 01-16-2015, 07:45 AM   #4
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In an attempt to prevent users from entering closed areas, the DNR has posted some cameras....
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They're all around us now,...boyee...

I got a ticket IN THE MAIL last September for "being in a closed area" in the Mt Hood NF near Hood River. The Mt Hood FS apparently had closed this area using a 1-1/2 old burn as a loophole excuse for "public health and safety", says the letter.

"Photo Evidence", the ticket said. $225, knocked down to $100, likely because it would not have stood up in court, and I was very tempted to plead NG. I got stuck behind this gate at 8:20pm after riding all around these hills for many hours that day, coming into this area on normal bad County and FS roads coming from the other direction. There was a huge redneck trail/road cut around the closed gate, so I went around like everybody else to get home, rather than backtrack for hours in the night.

The biggest problem for me is about this photo gig that enables their employees to stay by their computers instead of actually patrolling the area, is all those Side x Side, Quads and Dirt Bikes that actually made that redneck road around the gate I got stuck behind, they don't have plates, and they won't get shit in the mail. The tracks around that gate showed lots and lots of other "offenders", most appeared to be RZR sized SxS tracks.

So, essentially, the FS has created a HUGE OHV play area, closed to everyone else except the unplated motor vehicles that won't get tickets. And as a bonus, it's completely unpatrolled except for that camera by the gate, that no doubt takes lots and lots of pictures of unplated motor vehicles with riders that have helmets on. Fuckers.
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Old 01-16-2015, 08:29 AM   #5
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:46 AM   #6
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Old 01-16-2015, 10:38 AM   #7
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I think that after the night time hoodlums have been chased out of the area, the emphasis will fade. As noted above, it will be difficult to ID anyone from a photo, but the night shift officer will be alerted to run over there to confront the offenders. The bad apples that ran wild at the North Fork and Reiter (and resulted in closure) need to be run out.
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Old 01-16-2015, 10:39 AM   #8
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Isn't there always?
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I enjoy a night ride, especially in the summer.

The woods are different in the dark.

Night enduros at Walker used to be my favorite event of the year.
Me too, I haven't asked about a permit for a night enduro, but when the dust clears on this one, I will.
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Yeah, that was the first thing my wife said.
It's her DRZ400 that I got busted on
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Can anybody say 1984? Big brother has struck.
You beat me to it...

Just wait until the drone patrols start with full recognition capability and all the liberal national socialism "goodness and equality" REALLY goes into gear.
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Old 01-18-2015, 12:16 AM   #13
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You beat me to it...

Just wait until the drone patrols start with full recognition capability and all the liberal national socialism "goodness and equality" REALLY goes into gear.
Yeah drones with thermal imaging , our m/c will be a very easy find and target. They will follow you right to your door step and you will never see them.
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Old 01-18-2015, 08:24 AM   #14
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It's stunning to me how quickly this kind of discussion regresses into a bunch of hyperbolic paranoid political nonsense.

Most of us believe that there are places that we should be allowed to ride and those places for various reasons that we should not. Maybe it's a wilderness area, a dangerous active logging or mining operation, or someone's private land. Whatever the reason certain areas remain off-limits. Most are mapped, marked, and often gated. If you believe nothing should be off limits, or there's too much restriction that is a legitimate but separate argument.

Law enforcemnt has access to the same technology we use now days to record high-res awesome video from our helmets. Battery life and digital technology have advanced dramatically in the past few years and the price has fallen so low that almost anyone, including government agencies, can afford to record or photograph in all kinds of places and situations where film would never have worked.

Again we are just discussing enforcing the already established boundaries of an open riding area. Consider the cost savings for both the DNR and you the tax payer, Would you prefer they dispatched patrol officers 24 hours a day to monitor the area effectively? wouldn't that get your over-taxed undies all bunched up?

All that said I really do understand the feeling of supervision and oppression that comes with cameras everywhere, I personally feel that enforcement should remain in the hands of people "on the ground". An officer at a traffic stop has discretion and knowledge of circumstances that a red-light camera simply doesn't. Apple Jam makes an excellent point about how the intended effect is seldom the same as the outcome. In a perfect world we wouldn't need any of these things but it isn't a perfect world and since most of us prefer order to anarchy we accept certain restrictions.

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You beat me to it...

Just wait until the drone patrols start with full recognition capability and all the liberal national socialism "goodness and equality" REALLY goes into gear.
I can't wait, we'll get Obama phones and Obama KTM's...
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