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Old 08-31-2012, 10:28 AM   #1801
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If you're serious, have Buchanan lace up a set of 17"/19" Supermoto rims and go try to embarrass the sportbikes.

It'll take more than a fat tire on the rear of an XC to do that.

What did you intend to put on the front?
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:43 AM   #1802
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thank you for the info, but I am NOT LOOKING for anything with big knobs
and not something 100% street like BT45
"for mostly commuting and infuriating sportbikes in the twisties with some forestry service roads"

I want an Avon Distanzia, Tourance, TW152 or the like
the only one available in a wide 18" is MT90A/T
The Pirelli MT90 A/T works VERY well on the twisties with the big Katoom. I don't see why it wouldn't be the same with the X.
I have a friend who commutes daily and puts to shame most sport bikes while riding on a 950 with a rear Mitas E07, so it's not ALL tires...
http://www.tyretest.com/motorradreif..._07/index.html
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:19 AM   #1803
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so the Pirelli MT90 A/T is the only 90/10 tire I can choose from in 140/80-18
exept for the stock Sahara

I ordered one last night

@6usm6,
I did not ask for a fat tire,
in fact I asked if anyone had tried a 120/something-18 instead
because a lot more so-so-tires are available in the narrower sizes
neither did I say 'embarrass'
but I'll rephrase from 'sportbikes' to 285-riders-lost-in-the-moutains,
better?
don't know Buchanan
don't even know if I like the XC
so I will not invest in anything for the bike that is not absolutely crucial
until I know whether it is a keeper or not
so far I found more not to like than to like - sorry
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:31 PM   #1804
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How do you like the inner bags?
I have not made a trip with mine yet but they seem kinda bulky. Do they limber up or are they no problem?
I find the inner bags fine. I think the whole kit, outer and inner soften up a bit with use.
Also I found it took me a little while to work out the best packing system for the new bags but now they are awesome.
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Old 09-01-2012, 05:59 AM   #1805
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My magadan bags arrived today . They look the bizz . cant wait to get back over to my bike in south america to put them to the test . I was using the giant loop great basin which was good but for me on a long trip seemed a pain to pack but I will use it on shorter trips . on my scales the GL was 3 kg and the magadan with home made pannier rack using 1.6mm wall tube is coming out at 11 kg . A lot more weight but it is carryed a lot lower so I am hoping that the weight feels about the same on the bike
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Old 09-01-2012, 06:16 PM   #1806
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can't seem to get an answer ... how does the magadan bags attach to racks?

do they only hang from top straps only?

example: wolfman soft bags are held from the top with two straps, then four more attachments per bag to racks.
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Old 09-01-2012, 08:54 PM   #1807
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can't seem to get an answer ... how does the magadan bags attach to racks?

do they only hang from top straps only?

example: wolfman soft bags are held from the top with two straps, then four more attachments per bag to racks.
Yes they just hang from the top straps. You then sort out your own method for stabilising them, some people use ratchet straps but I like to use a pice of 8mm shock cord made to length with a hook and a loop. I prefer a little give in my attachment method because if you drop the bike and something has to brake or flex to absorb the forces it is my strap not the bags or rack. Haven't had any problems when jumping cattle grids with this system.
I looked at the wolf mans but they are so much smaller everyone who has them has to use a roll bag on the rack as well which fucks with a bikes handling more than anything.
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:10 AM   #1808
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can't seem to get an answer ... how does the magadan bags attach to racks?

do they only hang from top straps only?

example: wolfman soft bags are held from the top with two straps, then four more attachments per bag to racks.
They hang over the seat and the top straps hold the weight.
IMO you need some kind of side racks to keep them off the muffler and to secure them too so they will not flop.

I use regular pannier racks on my bikes and run a strap from the rack around each bag They work great that way.
I have used the Touratech racks on the XC along with Happy trails , and Wolfman Racks on other bikes.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:30 PM   #1809
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Yes they just hang from the top straps. You then sort out your own method for stabilising them, some people use ratchet straps but I like to use a pice of 8mm shock cord made to length with a hook and a loop. I prefer a little give in my attachment method because if you drop the bike and something has to brake or flex to absorb the forces it is my strap not the bags or rack. Haven't had any problems when jumping cattle grids with this system.
I looked at the wolf mans but they are so much smaller everyone who has them has to use a roll bag on the rack as well which fucks with a bikes handling more than anything.
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They hang over the seat and the top straps hold the weight.
IMO you need some kind of side racks to keep them off the muffler and to secure them too so they will not flop.

I use regular pannier racks on my bikes and run a strap from the rack around each bag They work great that way.
I have used the Touratech racks on the XC along with Happy trails , and Wolfman Racks on other bikes.
hanging from top two straps only doesn't sound very well supported.
that explains why loaded bags sag badly in pictures.

wonder how hard it would be to sew on straps similar to Wolfman?
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:08 AM   #1810
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If you go back through the thread, the Magadan bags were meant to be used with a rack to stabilize the bags and keep them out of the wheel and off of the exhaust. I'd like to see someone try them with the new Kreiga rack sat up. It looks like it would be the cat's ass.
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:11 AM   #1811
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A brand new XChallenge

Just posted this in another thread, It just hapened to me to find a brand new Xchallenge for sale; bought in '11 and never used, and this, completely certified... !

Thought you guys may find this curious. It's maybe not that impressive, but personally I'm shocked...
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:51 AM   #1812
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here is a link to Hot Rod Welding's rack for the xchallenge, more info on various xch forums about securing the bags, etc

http://www.hotrodwelding.nl/news.php?news_id=25
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Old 11-04-2012, 04:51 PM   #1813
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Thumb Very cool!

Just received my set of Magadan bags!
I gotta say, I'm very impressed. Love the quality and utility. The side pouches fit 1L Primus fuel bottles perfectly!
After I sort out the stabilizing straps, I will post in some pics.

Thank you, Walter and AdventureSpec, Stephan Scheffelmeier, and few others! My little Xchallenge is coming along slowly but nicely for something good next summer!

I am very impressed with the speed of DHL shipping!
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:26 AM   #1814
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Don't sew them on... That has proven to be a mistake (learned the hard way with Steelpony bags) with heavier bags and at nearly twice the size of the Wolfman bags these will get heavy. Two straps across the top are normal and these bags are designed to have another strap going around them horizontally to secure them to the saddlebag frame... and have spaces under the side pockets to accommodate those straps.

You're not going to be able to pick meaningful faults with their attachment to the bike.
This is exactly correct ...

Tie ons not on fail the first time you crash and slide down a gravel road on the bag, ripping the bag off the rack, but the tie ons can rip out at the bag (as opposes to snapping the tie on in the middle of its length) ... thus ripping a hole in your bag. I had the tie strips rip off on the first day with my steel ponys a few years back, and while they didnt rip a hole in the main bag I have heard of it happening and can see it happening.

I specifically went for a system that allows for heavier duty straps to secure the entire bag to the pannier rack, without any attachments than can be ripped off in a fall.

I used the bags (as did most other riders) on this years off road ride to Magadan (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=834987) and was very happy indeed with the resulting product. I probably went for overkill in securing the bags to the rack both horizontally with rok straps and vertically with luggage straps. Securing them this way meant the bags were not only very positionally stable and solid on the bike, but there was no weight at all on the overseat straps and the bags survived countless falls and slides over 3 months of all day every day high speed off road riding. Other riders in the group just had the bags fully loaded and all weight just on the overseat straps, and there were no issues there either.



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Old 11-05-2012, 03:36 AM   #1815
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Just received my set of Magadan bags!
I gotta say, I'm very impressed. Love the quality and utility. The side pouches fit 1L Primus fuel bottles perfectly!
After I sort out the stabilizing straps, I will post in some pics.
Great stuff.

Yes the front pouches are designed to hold a 1 litre primus bottle or 1.5 litre water bottle.

The rear pouches are designed to hold a 2 litre touratech fuel / oil / water canister. 2 of the fuel canisters - one in each pannier - (http://shop.touratech.com/canister-2...line-fuel.html) will give you 4 more litres (1.05 US Gallons) of fuel- which on my bike is almost 100 km of range.



In the second picture of the luggage in the previous post, in Mongolia, you can see the bike has these snugly in the rear pockets
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