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Old 12-28-2009, 04:43 PM   #136
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Great thread! Thanks so much for sharing. Gary Emig"s WP fork conversion for the X Challenge gets great reviews. http://www.emigracing.com/.
I got one of the last Dakars three years ago and immediately replaced the rear OEM with HyperPro and front springs with progressive. Huge improvement with and without load. I'm getting 10,000 mi rear and 18,000 to 20,000 mi front from my Mefo Explorers and love them. They have gotten me through places I shouldn't have taken the bike.

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Old 12-30-2009, 07:03 AM   #137
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PM sent Re HID-Mr Colbatch-Please please please assist

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Old 01-10-2010, 06:42 PM   #138
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Well not quite RTW, but Trans-Siberian, twice. 50,000 km (which is more than most RTWs) and about 20,000 of them off road.



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Old 01-11-2010, 04:15 AM   #139
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Colebatch, how did you manage to mantain all the stuff dry inside of your soft bags, especialy with all rhe rivercrossings? They aren waterproof i suppose?
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:17 AM   #140
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ortlieb's are compleatly waterproof ...
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:42 AM   #141
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if you need some detail prep info on this mod, you're welcome to ask me as well, I have every bit of that mod in good memory. It's not direct plug and play, but not very far from it.

Some tasters: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=3114
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Some info on your mod please. I have some Shivers in the garage and I'd much rather use the stock axle clamps without adapters and such.

I have Emig racing lower triple clamps that would require pressing out the stock stem and then pressing into the Emig clamp, and since I have it I may do that...but using all stock hardware for the wheel/brakes would be great!

I also have the Emig racing steering damper, and it is a nice unit! It makes sand washes and...well everywhere else...much nicer. I have a damper on both my bikes (XR400 with GPR) and plan to put one on every bike I get.

http://www.emigracing.com/

You can PM me the info if you don't want to clutter up this fine thread.

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:17 AM   #142
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I'm interested in this mod as well. PM me as well or you may want to start a new thread.

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Some info on your mod please. I have some Shivers in the garage and I'd much rather use the stock axle clamps without adapters and such.

I have Emig racing lower triple clamps that would require pressing out the stock stem and then pressing into the Emig clamp, and since I have it I may do that...but using all stock hardware for the wheel/brakes would be great!

I also have the Emig racing steering damper, and it is a nice unit! It makes sand washes and...well everywhere else...much nicer. I have a damper on both my bikes (XR400 with GPR) and plan to put one on every bike I get.

http://www.emigracing.com/

You can PM me the info if you don't want to clutter up this fine thread.
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Old 01-11-2010, 12:39 PM   #143
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Its the plastic clips that spoil it for the otherwise very good idea of taking push bike bags. As mentioned earlier, once the clips break, you have to attach them with hose clamps
Hello .
I was wonder about some of equipment you use .

1 The bags . I newer used bike bags but i know [general knolege] about that bags : http://www.vaude.com/epages/Vaude-de...ucts/151230400 and they have an interesting back : http://www.vaude.com/epages/Vaude-de...ctDetailImage1 that may alow you to fit on some rack . And if you look realy careful at the pic you will see that the mounting devices have some metall flat bars hidden under plastic shield.

2 Camping gear . Despite the fact i am a NOOB in moto, i have a good background in climbing / mountainering and that make me wonder about your tent . Your moto gear seems to be very good and high quality but the camping gear sound like crap to me . Your tent is way to bulky and pobably heavy .

And because i am to lazy to find another good outdoor gear manufacturer site you can randomly take one of this tents . They pack realy small and they are all under 2.5 kg some under 2 kg . http://www.vaude.com/epages/Vaude-de...ht&PageSize=99

And because you sad domething about a big sleeping bag i must tell you i use this one : http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetai...ring.html?cid= from spring to autumn and it have under 1 kg and pack at the size of a toilet paper roll.

In the end i want to appologize for my bad english.

Greetings

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Old 01-11-2010, 06:01 PM   #144
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The bags . I newer used bike bags but i know [general knolege] about that bags : http://www.vaude.com/epages/Vaude-de...ucts/151230400 and they have an interesting back : http://www.vaude.com/epages/Vaude-de...ctDetailImage1 that may alow you to fit on some rack . And if you look realy careful at the pic you will see that the mounting devices have some metall flat bars hidden under plastic shield.
Those bags are not going to survive either. Yes they have vertical metal strips behind the plastic, but that's not where the problem is when you use them on a moto. The two problems are the horizontal plastic beam that holds the two mounting clips (that beam will break) and the two plastic mounting clips themselves (they will break). So you need to reinforce the beam with steel, but there is nothing you can do to protect the plastic clips. Even if they were steel those clips will break when a 200kg motorcycle falls on its side at 40 km/h.


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Camping gear . ... the camping gear sound like crap to me . Your tent is way to bulky and pobably heavy .
Yes the tent was too bulky and too heavy. But it was very inexpensive and only used about 7 or 8 times in 7 months. It was a back up strategy and not worth investing a lot of money in camping gear for 7 days use. However, I will plan on either taking a smaller lighter tent next trip (like the one you suggested), or no tent at all.


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And because you sad domething about a big sleeping bag i must tell you i use this one : http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetai...ring.html?cid= from spring to autumn and it have under 1 kg and pack at the size of a toilet paper roll.
I personally dont like to take down sleeping bags on motorcycling trips. I took one once, a very good one, 15 years ago, but they are useless when they get wet. And if you are going to Siberia, your stuff will all get wet at some stage or another. I personally only take synthetic sleeping bags for bike trips now.
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Old 01-14-2010, 07:37 PM   #145
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Hey Walter, I'm wondering if these are the same projectors you used?

http://store.theretrofitsource.com/p...856ad801b923ca

If they are then I guess in North America they are available out of the Acura TL.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:08 AM   #146
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Hey Walter, I'm wondering if these are the same projectors you used?

http://store.theretrofitsource.com/p...856ad801b923ca

If they are then I guess in North America they are available out of the Acura TL.
They are not the same, but they look reasonably similar
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:00 AM   #147
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Those bags are not going to survive either.
do you mean the actual bag (material), or the mounting system?

is there a bag design, material, and or size that one would choose over the other? on your bike, you chose two different ortleib paniers, which ones did you feel was more suitable? (not being the bicycle mounting system)

what is the optimal volume for a panier?

designs seem to vary, which is more desirable,
to have more of a square? (less downward hang but increased width) or rectangle? (narrower width, but perhaps more drop and forward)

material?

mounting system: metal (tube or square), stainless, aluminium, welded, folded,

is there an ideal weight? how much should a complete system weigh? (panier x2, and mounting rack/system)
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Old 01-22-2010, 03:06 AM   #148
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do you mean the actual bag (material), or the mounting system?

is there a bag design, material, and or size that one would choose over the other? on your bike, you chose two different ortleib paniers, which ones did you feel was more suitable? (not being the bicycle mounting system)

what is the optimal volume for a panier?

designs seem to vary, which is more desirable,
to have more of a square? (less downward hang but increased width) or rectangle? (narrower width, but perhaps more drop and forward)

material?

mounting system: metal (tube or square), stainless, aluminium, welded, folded,

is there an ideal weight? how much should a complete system weigh? (panier x2, and mounting rack/system)
To be honest I tried the two different types of Ortlieb bags and wasnt satisfied with either. I have tried a few other types as well and have a bunch of ideas and points where I think they could and should be better.

So actually I am teaming up with a manufacturer to develop and make what I consider to be the perfect soft panniers, for this kind of adventure touring.

You don't want the bags too shallow, as they then keep the weight too high (like the standard ortlieb motorcycle panniers). There is an optimum height, which allows you to get the weight as low as possible, without jeopardising the ground clearance under suspension compression. In my view approximately square is going to provide the best volume, bearing in mind the need to keep things low.

The bags shouldnt be too small (20 litres a side is not enough) meaning people that ride with that typically carry more weight in a back bag. Ideally the weight in a back bag should be absolutely minimised because it is much much higher and much much further back than weight in the soft side panniers. I had my soft bags in the same plane as me in the seated riding position and very low down. When riding with just the side bags there was almost no noticable difference to the bikes handling. As soon as my (too lorge) back bag went on, the handling change was very noticable and unfavorable

So thats the aim. To make sure as much as possible of the weight is there in the side bags, you need to make the bags more like 35 litres a side. Ideally, rear bags should be small and restricted only to very fragile stuff like laptop computers and camera gear.

In my view, there is also a lot of room to improve on the materials currently being used. A couple of the Aussie manufacturers stick to oiled canvas. Its a material the Aussies know and use a lot for all sorts of stuff and it works well enough in an Australian climate. In a more tropical or moist climate though I have not been happy with the way the canvas behaves, in terms of waterproofness and sweating. A more sophisticated material would allow for a properly waterproof bag, and make the bag more rugged and durable as well.

There is also a lot of room for improvement in terms of mounting systems and theft deterrent systems for soft bags. I am trying to have these things incorporated into a product, which in my opinion would be the ultimate pannier system.

Frames? I think tubular steel is the way to go as its strong for its weight and easy to fix/weld on the road.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:20 AM   #149
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Colebatch... a question for you?

It might be mentioned in an earlier thread.....Did you have to reinforce the rear subframe?

Thanks for sharing your experiences!
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:26 AM   #150
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It might be mentioned in an earlier thread.....Did you have to reinforce the rear subframe?

Thanks for sharing your experiences!
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This might sound like bad news but in fact revealed one important piece of good design. Erik had made the rack to be attached to the subframe with 8 screws and deliberately put a lot of the load through the mounting points low down on the subframe. The result of this was that the aluminium subframe was able to take all the stress Sibirsky Extreme could throw at it, without any cracks.
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