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Old 03-29-2013, 10:13 AM   #6196
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How they will catch you if you do....

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Absolutely not. Do you realize how much money it takes to put one of those up in the sky and operate it? Finding rogue trail riders is a negative sum expense. No money to be made, only lost. it would cost more to use that tool to find a rogue rider, then actually track him down, apprehend him, take him to jail, process him and then try him. For what? Some community service and a slap on the wrist?

If riders are caught poaching trails, it will be by pure luck on the part of LEO's, right place, right time. No money or expense will ever be exhausted making this a priority.

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Old 03-29-2013, 12:28 PM   #6197
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Absolutely not. Do you realize how much money it takes to put one of those up in the sky and operate it? Finding rogue trail riders is a negative sum expense. No money to be made, only lost. it would cost more to use that tool to find a rogue rider, then actually track him down, apprehend him, take him to jail, process him and then try him. For what? Some community service and a slap on the wrist?

If riders are caught poaching trails, it will be by pure luck on the part of LEO's, right place, right time. No money or expense will ever be exhausted making this a priority.
Rob is right on on this...

better to ask forgiveness than permission

The US Forest Circus and the Bureau of Lousy Mismanagement don't have the time or funds to patrol hundreds of miles of trails.
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:47 PM   #6198
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Deflect if you like by calling me disrespectful. Thats the tactic of the politically correct. Or man up... thank me for the numbers and make a 5 minute phone call. ADV can live without each of us for 5 minutes.
so jeff i just talked to bob for 40 minutes or so regarding rowher and the meeting in acton last night and the pending lawsuit that may result in the new wilderness areas. thank you for his number.

does that mean i can continue to be pissed at what happened and is happening without you getting in my face for it now?

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Old 03-29-2013, 07:02 PM   #6199
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so jeff i just talked to bob for 40 minutes or so regarding rowher and the meeting in acton last night and the pending lawsuit that may result in the new wilderness areas. thank you for his number.

does that mean i can continue to be pissed at what happened and is happening without you getting in my face for it now?

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Did you call to gather intel you can use to justify riding outlaw... or did you use your 40 minutes to figure out what you csn do to get more trails put back into Rowher ?

It sounds like you called just to tell me you called so you ain't on the list of people I called out for not calling ! Thats kinda of a waste of time.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:59 PM   #6200
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I called today too, Bob is a really nice guy, and he is PRO riding for sure, long story short, those off shoots will not be opened up soon.

Its a good thing that in over 2 years of riding Rowher, sometimes 2 days a week (im fortunate to live 7 miles away ) i have NEVER seen any rangers outside of staging area 1 (parking lot), never seen them on any of the trails or fire roads, just saying.

Btw, being a forest ranger assigned to Rowher, man, what a kick ass job, sit in a nice 4X4 lifted pickup for 8 hours a day in staging area 1, just bs'ing and handing out maps... the good life right there.
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:20 AM   #6201
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Rob is right on on this...

better to ask forgiveness than permission

The US Forest Circus and the Bureau of Lousy Mismanagement don't have the time or funds to patrol hundreds of miles of trails.
Agree
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:50 PM   #6202
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i did what you wanted and it isn't good enough for you, now you are accusing me of malicious intent? i'm done wasting my time on you. why don't you call your best friend Bob and ask him what we talked about if you care so much.

it's become clear to me who is a waste of time around here.

if you don't "give a care about rowher" like you stated get off this thread.



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Did you call to gather intel you can use to justify riding outlaw... or did you use your 40 minutes to figure out what you csn do to get more trails put back into Rowher ?

It sounds like you called just to tell me you called so you ain't on the list of people I called out for not calling ! Thats kinda of a waste of time.
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Old 03-30-2013, 06:33 PM   #6203
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Wes... Didn't accuse you of nuttin'... I asked a question. Your snarky attitude doesn't suggest you give a shit about anything but picking a fight. If I misinterpreted your snark... my apologies.


TO THE ROWHER REGULARS: I'll stay in touch with Bob dressing out ideas that he can get behind. The Recreations Officer for the Angeles also called me on behalf of the Forest Supervisor to offer her support as well. I will be meeting the senior staff in the fall to present a plan for more dirt bike only trails. We will be meeting again in Jan to discuss Grant Requests that they are willing to put forward for Green Sticker Funds Approval.

If you want to make specific suggestions that I can promote please PM me.

The only thing on my list at this momment is replacing those lost cut outs with offical trails. I need more options to present. Need your ideas NOW and thru the summer.

Results will mean action on the ground 2015/2016. We have to start NOW if you ever want to make changes.
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:54 AM   #6204
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Wes... Didn't accuse you of nuttin'... I asked a question. Your snarky attitude doesn't suggest you give a shit about anything but picking a fight. If I misinterpreted your snark... my apologies.


TO THE ROWHER REGULARS: I'll stay in touch with Bob dressing out ideas that he can get behind. The Recreations Officer for the Angeles also called me on behalf of the Forest Supervisor to offer her support as well. I will be meeting the senior staff in the fall to present a plan for more dirt bike only trails. We will be meeting again in Jan to discuss Grant Requests that they are willing to put forward for Green Sticker Funds Approval.

If you want to make specific suggestions that I can promote please PM me.

The only thing on my list at this momment is replacing those lost cut outs with offical trails. I need more options to present. Need your ideas NOW and thru the summer.

Results will mean action on the ground 2015/2016. We have to start NOW if you ever want to make changes.

im starting to think you are a sierra club member in adv rider disguise. what if we just do what we do and you can just be ok with it. go hang out in california adventure rider and see if they need help following or making new rules.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:30 PM   #6205
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I am going to spend the next year trying to get green sticker money to add dirt bike only trails to the Rowher OHV area. It can be done. But we need some user involvement in the way of a phone call and an email when the time is right.

If everyone pissed about shrinking trails at Rowher:

1) - Makes one phone call now asking to get dirt bike only trails put back where the cut outs were for SAFETY and simple fairness as dirt bikers have lost almost all trails in these OHV areas to wider and flatter trails for ATVs, SXSs and full size vehicles....

2) - And then sends one email supporting the grant application that gets submitted next year in March....

...you have a great chance of seeing new dirt bike only trails in 2015/2016.


I know the SSS crowd has no interest in working with the man... or even riding Rowher for that matter. They get half their thrill from riding outlaw and flipping the man the bird ! I get it. After 30+ years in OC I moved wife, home & business to the high desert to live in an area where I can ride rouge from my driveway any day of the week. I see no one... I share no trail. I rarely hear another dirt bike. It's a 50s thing. You've had enough... and you don't give a shit anymore... and you are gonna be a little rebelious for a few years before you can't any more. It's call midlife whether you wanna admit it or not. I GET IT.

That said... for you Rowher lovers... that want your local riding area to grow in trail miles rather than shrink there is a way ! We've done it in SBNF... and Angeles (Rowher) is willing to listen.

Start the process by giving Ranger Bob Blount a call at (661) 269-2808 and let him know you want to "Add back dirt bike only trail to Rowher where they took away the cut outs along the forest road forcing you to share a high speed dirt road with ATVs, SXS and full size vehicles. It is a huge safety issue... and it is also a fairness issue as dirt bikers have lost so much trail to ATVs, SXS & full size vehicles."

The number of calls he gets right now gives him a reason to help you. Nobody calls ? He'll go work on mountain bike or equestrian trails. Those people are calling.

Sierra Club Operative signing out !
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:44 PM   #6206
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I am going to spend the next year trying to get green sticker money to add dirt bike only trails to the Rowher OHV area. It can be done. But we need some user involvement in the way of a phone call and an email when the time is right.

If everyone pissed about shrinking trails at Rowher:

1) - Makes one phone call now asking to get dirt bike only trails put back where the cut outs were for SAFETY and simple fairness as dirt bikers have lost almost all trails in these OHV areas to wider and flatter trails for ATVs, SXSs and full size vehicles....

2) - And then sends one email supporting the grant application that gets submitted next year in March....

...you have a great chance of seeing new dirt bike only trails in 2015/2016.


I know the SSS crowd has no interest in working with the man... or even riding Rowher for that matter. They get half their thrill from riding outlaw and flipping the man the bird ! I get it. After 30+ years in OC I moved wife, home & business to the high desert to live in an area where I can ride rouge from my driveway any day of the week. I see no one... I share no trail. I rarely hear another dirt bike. It's a 50s thing. You've had enough... and you don't give a shit anymore... and you are gonna be a little rebelious for a few years before you can't any more. It's call midlife whether you wanna admit it or not. I GET IT.

That said... for you Rowher lovers... that want your local riding area to grow in trail miles rather than shrink there is a way ! We've done it in SBNF... and Angeles (Rowher) is willing to listen.

Start the process by giving Ranger Bob Blount a call at (661) 269-2808 and let him know you want to "Add back dirt bike only trail to Rowher where they took away the cut outs along the forest road forcing you to share a high speed dirt road with ATVs, SXS and full size vehicles. It is a huge safety issue... and it is also a fairness issue as dirt bikers have lost so much trail to ATVs, SXS & full size vehicles."

The number of calls he gets right now gives him a reason to help you. Nobody calls ? He'll go work on mountain bike or equestrian trails. Those people are calling.

Sierra Club Operative signing out !

same thing happened in lake arrowhead, i was taking my rhino on the same trails for years, then they put up a sign saying no rhinos, it was fun plowing into that sign and not looking back. a trail is a trail, quad rhino or dirtbike for that matter. if guys like you who are so into making trails, help organize against the MAN!!!
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:06 PM   #6207
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same thing happened in lake arrowhead, i was taking my rhino on the same trails for years, then they put up a sign saying no rhinos, it was fun plowing into that sign and not looking back. a trail is a trail, quad rhino or dirtbike for that matter. if guys like you who are so into making trails, help organize against the MAN!!!

With almost 200 miles if green sticker trails and forest roads for your rhino on that mountain... you just have to drive on the few miles of 50 inch trail reserved for atvs and dirt bikes around arrowhead... and run down signs in the process.

So when you claimed you are only an asshole online... I guess you were lying.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:18 PM   #6208
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With almost 200 miles if green sticker trails and forest roads for your rhino on that mountain... you just have to drive on the few miles of 50 inch trail reserved for atvs and dirt bikes around arrowhead... and run down signs in the process.

So when you claimed you are only an asshole online... I guess you were lieing.

I think his claim was, he is a Dick.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:23 PM   #6209
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I think his claim was, he is a Dick.
Oh... sorry if I mispoke...
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Old 03-31-2013, 03:21 PM   #6210
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With almost 200 miles if green sticker trails and forest roads for your rhino on that mountain... you just have to drive on the few miles of 50 inch trail reserved for atvs and dirt bikes around arrowhead... and run down signs in the process.

So when you claimed you are only an asshole online... I guess you were lying.

it was never reserved for anything, it was just fine for a rhino, just wide enough to be fun and not dangerous. but then they put up a sign saying it was no longer legal, but didnt actually change anything on the trails.

we can fight all day long on here, i will win everytime.
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