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Old 11-19-2014, 02:33 PM   #1
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1st Street Crash and Ticket Question

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Old 11-19-2014, 02:52 PM   #2
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First, sympathies on the spill.

Second, insult to injury, sympathies on getting an outrageous ticket.

Lastly, What an asshat cop, who probably gleefully agreed with the anonymous caller, that: "some crazed biker, riding way too fast, probably a druggie and a murderer, just crashed in front of me whilst stunting. My god, think of the children he could have killed!"

How on earth a cop can give someone a ticket for taking a spill on a motorcycle without having witnessed it himself, or having credible witnesses (an oxymoron in itself) all tell the same tale with exacting and damning accounts of wrong doing, is beyond me.

Nothing more than a corrupt system and cash grabbing at it's disgusting best.

Those are my thoughts. I apologize that I do not have anything helpful to offer, other than a jaundiced view of, IMHO, a severly broken system.
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:56 PM   #3
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I'd pay an attorney $2K to beat that before I'd pay the $200 fine.

But I'm a dickhead. YMMV
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Old 11-19-2014, 02:56 PM   #4
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I'd definitely fight it on the grounds that the cop didn't witness it. The person that called was probably worried about your safety and had already made the call before you got up and saw that you were fine.
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:02 PM   #5
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Sounds like he wrote you a ticket for riding a motorcycle. Dick move.

Not sure how they would prove it, unless they call the "Witness" who called it in. What is that witness going to say they saw? Was it some careless activity on your part? Being in FL, not sure you can win over the idoicrasy, but yeah, I'd fight it.

Wonder if the AMA would want to know as well?
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:34 PM   #6
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Did you check the road surface when you picked yourself up? Odd that you went down with that much experience on those tires. Maybe gas or diesel spilled from a previous vehicle?

Bullshit ticket IMO.
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Old 11-19-2014, 03:37 PM   #7
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Fight that ticket! You may want to contact the AMA about this, maybe they can send a regional rep to help you out in court. That is certainly an anti-motorcyclist ticket right there.!
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:02 PM   #8
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plea not guilty, cop would have to bring witness to to his hear say third party account of the "accident". both cop and witness would have to appear, if not they case would be dismissed.

Fight It.
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:20 PM   #9
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Fight it, make them dredge up the "witness".
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Old 11-19-2014, 05:48 PM   #10
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Why didn't you tell the cop that you didn't crash...and that it must have been someone else?

You didn't admit to it, did you?
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:02 PM   #11
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Fight it. Not sure how Florida's laws are, but reckless driving is subjective and hard to prove.
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:21 PM   #12
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Step 1: Go and look up the statute law for the section written on the citation.
Step 2: Read the language of that statute very carefully and critically. Don't read it with a chip on your shoulder.
Step 3: Do online research for the judicial interpretation of that statute and, again, critically and carefully.
Step 4: Ask yourself some questions. Does the language require a witness to testify to satisfy the requirements of the law? Did you give, inadvertently, testimony to the cop that satisfied the requirements of the law? Did the cop witness any portion of the accident OR you driving afterward that could be interpreted as a violation?
Then decide what you're going to do. Instead of out of ignorance, make your decision using knowledge. Following one sentence advice from this forum is usually a bad move.
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:38 PM   #13
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fight it !!

Same thing happened to me in NJ a few years ago, cold tires sand and salt. Damaged pride and some plastic. Cops helped me lift up bike, they did not see the fall, but mailed me a ticket weeks later. Fought it and won.
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Old 11-19-2014, 06:57 PM   #14
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Just go to court and tell your store to the judge they are much fairer, more knowledgeable and busier than cops. He'll throw it out and move on. Never had and issue with a judge,....... cops many.
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Old 11-19-2014, 07:08 PM   #15
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I would have just told the Leo I didn't fall, I dropped it trying to turn around. You arnt hurt, bike isn't hurt. Their word against yours. As another poster stated, these days it's all about revenue.
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