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Old 02-28-2014, 10:41 AM   #4411
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is this too good to be true?

just saw over from ADVpulse's facebook that clear creek is opening back up next month!

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-rides/cl...in-california/

which is great... i've never been able to ride clear creek, and would love to explore the hell out of it... but this part makes me slightly annoyed:

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The park will be open to street licensed vehicles only, such as Dual Sport and Adventure Touring motorcycles. The BLM says, 5,070 acres of the land “will be managed to emphasize primitive, non-motorized recreation opportunities.” Touring of the area by motorcycle will require a permit and visits will be restricted to 5 days per year to limit health risk. Clear Creek is expected to re-open after a 30-day appeal period on March 14, 2014.
i can understand opening it to only dual sport bikes, but why open it and then restrict it to only 5 days per year? maybe 30+ days, and not only 5 days. that's lame... not only that, but doesn't it then cause a management problem for the BLM to try to keep track of how many days each person gets permits for?

it feels like a tease from the BLM, we're going to open it, but you can't ride it... and you have to get a permit from a BLM office to do so? is/are there other BLM riding areas in northern California that require a permit to access?
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:16 PM   #4412
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just saw over from ADVpulse's facebook that clear creek is opening back up next month!

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-rides/cl...in-california/

which is great... i've never been able to ride clear creek, and would love to explore the hell out of it... but this part makes me slightly annoyed:



i can understand opening it to only dual sport bikes, but why open it and then restrict it to only 5 days per year? maybe 30+ days, and not only 5 days. that's lame... not only that, but doesn't it then cause a management problem for the BLM to try to keep track of how many days each person gets permits for?

it feels like a tease from the BLM, we're going to open it, but you can't ride it... and you have to get a permit from a BLM office to do so? is/are there other BLM riding areas in northern California that require a permit to access?
So you can ride through there as the road is open right through the middle of it, but if you go elsewhere, you can only do it 5 days a year? Typical Kalifornistan stupidity.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:10 PM   #4413
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So you can ride through there as the road is open right through the middle of it, but if you go elsewhere, you can only do it 5 days a year? Typical Kalifornistan stupidity.
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Old 02-28-2014, 02:32 PM   #4414
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BLM is federal.
Nevertheless ... Typcal kalifornistan stupidity ...

I'm imagining a gate with a combination lock ...?
Get your pass and they give you the combination ...

Speaking of State vs Federal, I'd love to hear how San Benito County justified giving the BLM power over how I get from Los Gatos Road to the Panoche Valley over Clear Creek Road on (what used to be) a county thoroughfare ...

Not to put too fine a point on it: Typcal kalifornistan stupidity ...

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http://www.southbayriders.com/forums/threads/124831/
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:55 PM   #4415
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just saw over from ADVpulse's facebook that clear creek is opening back up next month!

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-rides/cl...in-california/

which is great... i've never been able to ride clear creek, and would love to explore the hell out of it... but this part makes me slightly annoyed:



i can understand opening it to only dual sport bikes, but why open it and then restrict it to only 5 days per year? maybe 30+ days, and not only 5 days. that's lame... not only that, but doesn't it then cause a management problem for the BLM to try to keep track of how many days each person gets permits for?

it feels like a tease from the BLM, we're going to open it, but you can't ride it... and you have to get a permit from a BLM office to do so? is/are there other BLM riding areas in northern California that require a permit to access?


Not a single trail is being reopened at Clear Creek. Some of the main roads are, but only to plated vehicles... with the 5 days/yr limitation.
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:30 PM   #4416
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Here's a link to some info about a San Benito Board of Supervisors meeting, on March 4th, where the BLM is on the agenda to address taking control of the
county roads through Clear Creek:
http://www.southbayriders.com/forums/threads/138037/

So, there you go ...
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:57 PM   #4417
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Thanks for posting. I will try to get the time off work for this
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Old 02-28-2014, 08:05 PM   #4418
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Not a single trail is being reopened at Clear Creek. Some of the main roads are, but only to plated vehicles... with the 5 days/yr limitation.
Not really much more than exists today. Pretty sad if you ask me.
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Old 02-28-2014, 08:25 PM   #4419
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Well I babbled on ignorantly re: federal stupidity vs. state stupidity. But is there a difference these days? Or are they just competing as to who can be more stupid.

John, thanks for the link on the history of the area. Cool stuff!

I'd like to see one similar for Skeggs or El Corte Madera back when it was a dirt bike area.
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:52 AM   #4420
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Get me all excited, and then shoot me down... bastages! Now I gots to read the damn report to get the actual details; here:

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...h_cover508.pdf

Page 33 has "travel and transportation" decisions; open routes list is on page 96. Looks like a little more than 50 miles would be open.

It looks like this goes into effect in March, depending on the county board of supervisor's meeting. I think having to get a permit to use a county road, with an annual permit limit is absurd, even if I only wish I could go there 5x a year.

Open Routes Map from above linked report:
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:40 AM   #4421
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The county roads are our camel's nose in the tent ...

I just can't understand the BLM's attempting to promulgate the "transportation decisions" in the linked report without having resolved the county roads issue.

The guys on SBR are saying the county is absolutely against giving the BLM those roads, and there seems to be no way the permit system can function unless the BLM can close that access ... seems like the report and permit system is only going to "re-open" just what used to be county roads ...

There is supposed to be real resentment on the part of county government against the BLM over the ongoing Clear Creek closure ...

In fact, there is talk of the county taking the step of allowing OHV travel on the county roads within Clear Creek, which would pretty much gut BLM enforcement of the closure ...

We'll see ... allowing OHVs on Clear Creek Road would be a stick-in-the-eye to the BLM, ha.

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Old 03-01-2014, 10:59 AM   #4422
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The news articles said this would grant us access to CCMA areas outside of the Red Zone made unreachable by the closure: T171 and adjacent routes are listed as OPEN - and they are not county roads!

but I don't see that reflected in the map presented unless someone will open access through the old Los Gatos Creek Park?



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Old 03-01-2014, 11:12 AM   #4423
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At this point, we need to support the San Benito Board of Supervisors in keeping county routes open. The hearing is coming up on 3/4/14 (Item #10).

Send an e-mail to: supervisors@cosb.us

Asking to keep county road routes open WITHOUT gates, combo locks, fees, or permits for access or use.

The part about requiring permits (and fees for permits) to use a county road is what I find most outrageous.

Limited thinking on the BLM's part. If the idea was solely to limit exposure, they just as easily could have gone with a self-service, no-fee permit kiosk where you fill out a piece of paper with your name acknowledging risk and accepting it. Carry that with you and leave a carbon in the box. Then they have their documentation/permit and release of liability. Easy, like many back-country permit stations throughout federal lands.

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Get me all excited, and then shoot me down... bastages! Now I gots to read the damn report to get the actual details; here:

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...h_cover508.pdf

Page 33 has "travel and transportation" decisions; open routes list is on page 96. Looks like a little more than 50 miles would be open.

It looks like this goes into effect in March, depending on the county board of supervisor's meeting. I think having to get a permit to use a county road, with an annual permit limit is absurd, even if I only wish I could go there 5x a year.

Open Routes Map from above linked report:
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:56 PM   #4424
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Come to the meeting on the 4th in Hollister. I am going, we need a large number of people there to show our support. Talking among ourselves here on the forum doesn't do anything to help keep CC open, just get you pissed off.
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Old 03-01-2014, 02:53 PM   #4425
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Couldn't the county authorities order any county roads be kept open and enforce that action via the county Sheriff? Wasn't this what was done in El Dorado? Or am I getting Forest Service confused with BLM? On the other hand hasn't Arizona told the Feds to shove it on some local issues as they had done using Sheriff Joe Arpaio?

(On a side note, non- political rant: States rights/limited federal government keeps going up on my appreciation meter every day). No comment needed here. Move along.
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