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Old 01-10-2010, 09:41 AM   #751
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So Tony and Terry, is there a homeward bound RR from the two of you also??
There is as far as the end of the BAM road is concerned ... its coming shortly. I will wait for Tony to do that before I go on with my 'Arctic Diversion'.
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Old 01-10-2010, 10:22 AM   #752
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In the meantime

For those that haven't read the Bike Prep thread, I did a thread here on all the mods that were done to my bike to get it into shape:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524638
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Old 01-10-2010, 10:38 AM   #753
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Being a child of a military family during the Cold War. I have always had preconcieved notions about the Soviet Union. But I do realize that this is related to a governmental and military level.

Military would be who I would be most concerned about. People, eh, people are people. The more out of the 'loop' they are, the more friendly they are.

It's when we think like our governments, that we don't want to help 'certain' people.
The thing to remember is that it is governments that foment distrust and hatred, not people. A prime example is what you read about Iran these days...and what Iranians are spoon fed by their govt. The average Iranian is no more nor less human than anyone else.
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Old 01-10-2010, 10:43 AM   #754
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Colebatch, Terry and Tony- Congrats on doing what only very few have accomplished. This RR has been amazing and I speak for all of us when I say THANK YOU for letting us follow along. The description and detail provided made us feel like we were there with you guys. I honestly felt like I was with Tony on that bridge during the storm. (Except I pee'd.... all over myself. ) This is one report that I feel like I lived a dream by reading. Thank you for sharing

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Old 01-10-2010, 10:45 AM   #755
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Thank You

I want to thank the 3 of you for entertaining me through these cold winter days up here in the northeast usa. I could only dream of attempting such an adventure!! I will give cheers to you all this evening with favorite IPA in hand.....God Bless and keep you all safe

ps. any time frame for a DVD being put out there....and where would one hear about its sale??
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Old 01-10-2010, 11:03 AM   #756
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ps. any time frame for a DVD being put out there....and where would one hear about its sale??
hopefully Aprilish ... I will notify people here on this thread. Or if you want a direct mail, I can set up a notify list. Drop me an email at wcolebatch@gmail.com and I will set up a notify list as soon as it comes out. I will make it available direct from me thru paypal for the first month or so, but with any luck I should then have it with the likes of Adventure Spec and possibly Touratech.

Same goes for the book.
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Old 01-10-2010, 11:18 AM   #757
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Normally, to understand Russians its vitally important to understand their history and in Russian history, Americans are not the great historical enemy of the Russian people. That honour goes to the Germans. Every mention of Germans in a military context refers to the "fascists". Even today people will call often jokingly anything German by that name. A new BMW for example is a "fascist car" (... but it doesn't stop everyone wanting one.)

So one of the things that did surprise me about Russian hospitality, is that every German I have met who has travelled through Russia has ALSO reported nothing but the warmest of hospitality, and so it seems to me that the Russians are just as warm to the Germans as anyone else. I have even heard stories of German travellers stopping off in villages where the elderly patriarch of the family lost a leg fighting the Germans, and yet he welcomes an unexpected German traveller like a old friend.

This warm personal contact with people from the arch enemy Germany confirmed my view that at a personal level, the Russians see the world in two sets ... "the civilised folk", and "the barbarians".


Edit ... afterthought ... in these extreme parts of Siberia (where everyone is rugged and tough), they think of westerners in general as soft and spoiled by luxury. But they think exactly the same of Russian city people and in particular "Moscow people", who rural Russians love to mock.

Intersting comments, Colebatch. Here in the Pacific Northwest, particularly in Oregon's Willamette Valley, south of Portland, there is a very sizeable community of immigrant Russians and Ukranians. Dont know the numbers but I drive by Orthodox churches here and abouts. Mostly farmers I think.

Yes, Russia has quite a recent history with Germany, and I can't imagine anyone not being wary of the Germans to some degree, even after 70 years and three generations.

I think there could be problems with the Chinese as that country flexes its muscles in the years to come. Much of the Russian Far East was taken from a weakened China in the past and I look for the Chinese to make claims on some of it. And it also may be another reason Putin pushed through the BAM.

The relations between the Euro-Russians and the people of the Far East, beginning with the Mongols (I suppose) goes way back in time.




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Old 01-10-2010, 11:20 AM   #758
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I don't like to interrupt your thread mate and now I have I'm not sure what to say other than FANTASTIC!!
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Old 01-10-2010, 11:26 AM   #759
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hopefully Aprilish ... I will notify people here on this thread. Or if you want a direct mail, I can set up a notify list. Drop me an email at wcolebatch@gmail.com and I will set up a notify list as soon as it comes out. I will make it available direct from me thru paypal for the first month or so, but with any luck I should then have it with the likes of Adventure Spec and possibly Touratech.

Same goes for the book.
I'm curious about costs. After the accounting was done, how much (In English pounds?) you think you spent on that trek, outside of bike prepping.
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Old 01-10-2010, 12:15 PM   #760
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Thanks Colebatch,
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread. Being snowed-in since Christmas, it was great to look forward to each installment. Good on all three of you!
Cheers on a truly epic adventure
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Old 01-10-2010, 12:24 PM   #761
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I think there could be problems with the Chinese as that country flexes its muscles in the years to come. Much of the Russian Far East was taken from a weakened China in the past and I look for the Chinese to make claims on some of it. And it also may be another reason Putin pushed through the BAM.

The relations between the Euro-Russians and the people of the Far East, beginning with the Mongols (I suppose) goes way back in time.
Absolutely, like I said earlier in the thread, China is the only realistic external threat to the territorial integrity of the country. (Thus the sole rationale for the BAM)

Internally, Russia has done a pretty good job of cultivating a sense of nationalism, usually through total integration and a resulting low level of racism between "Russians" and the Asian citizens of Russia. It's one positive legacy of the socialist past. (Note this lack of racism towards native Siberians is not necessarily echoed in attitudes toward people of African origin)

The Buryats:


The Yakuts:


The Tuvans:


the Altaits:


And other Asian Russian nationalities all seem to identify totally with being Russian.

I also noted in Mongolia, that despite being totally under the Soviet sphere of influence for 70 years, the Mongolians (in contrast with the eastern europeans) have no negative beef with Russians. The Mongolians you see, are very wary of the Chinese. The Soviets could easily have absorbed Mongolia during the cold war, but they didn't. The Mongolians don't feel the Chinese would be that generous. The Chinese got a hold of Outer Mongolia several hundred years ago and have absorbed it into China, populating the province of 4 million Mongols with 20 million ethnic Chinese. So because of those contrasting histories, the Mongolians are much more comfortable putting their faith in the Russians when it comes to the destiny of the remainder of Mongolia.

While I was Mongolia this year, there was a big celebration (70th anniversary) of the Battle of Khalkhin Gol, in which the Soviet Union came to defend Mongolia again a Japanese incursion from occupied Manchuria. The victor at Khalkhin Gol was none other than Georgy Zhukov, the man who arguably more than any other was later responsible for the defeat of the Germans in WWII (The Battle of Khalkhin Gol was actually taking place at the same time as the German invasion of Poland). Zhukov is to this day revered in Mongolia, and I managed to pick up a Mongolian Zhukov medal (vintage 1996) at a market there. Here is a picture of Russian President Medvedev in Mongolia for the anniversary celebrations, with his Mongolian counterpart at a ceremony commemorating both the battle and the ongoing co-operation between the Russians and the Mongols (overlooked by a statue of said Marshal Zhukov).





I think the strategic concern of all the countries in North Asia, from Russia, to Mongolia to Japan and Korea, is China. Russia (like the other countries) is very much aware that it needs to play a balancing game between the significant economic co-operation between Russia and China (Russia supplies large amounts of energy and raw materials to China) and the medium to longer term strategic interests of the country, which obviously will be to protect the resources of Siberia. The Russia - China relationship is a complex one. China is a sometimes seen as an ally of Russia, but in my opinion its more of a rival.

Russia recently gave a disputed island near Khabarovsk that had been occupied by Russia to China (and was the scene of many border skirmish in the Mao - Brezhnev days), to much positive sentiment in China. In the shorter term this was to boost good will and economic co-operation, but I am sure in the longer term, there is also the thought that getting rid of any border disputes, gives the Chinese no "excuse" for anything else. The China - Russian border is now fixed and not subject to any disputes, for the first time in centuries.
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Old 01-10-2010, 01:13 PM   #762
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Thanks for the Adventure

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Old 01-10-2010, 01:27 PM   #763
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I have already written a report of Terry and my attempt to ride the rest of the BAM to Taishet.

The journey was not straightforeward or problem free, but was still full of same unexpected assistance from the unparralled Russian people.

I wrote this while in Moscow recently and unfortunately did not back it to my external hard drive or Email it to myself. We are looking for it on all the machines I used which were the LapTop we took (that is now in Lisbon, Portugal with Marina), the house PC and her Daughter's LapTop, both in Moscow.

Apologies for the delay, but I hope to have this, my final report (and some of Terry's photos), within the next few hours.
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Old 01-10-2010, 01:33 PM   #764
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Thanks Tony...

I'm sure I'm not the only one on the edge of my chair for that!! Thanks for all of your efforts!!!!
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Old 01-10-2010, 01:42 PM   #765
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Nope , I also sit here awaiting some more of this ride. I keep switching back and forth between BAM and Dakar.

Good luck Tony in finding that report. Thanks so much for such a great ride and report from the 3 of you.

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