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Old 04-25-2013, 06:23 PM   #14581
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Maybe it's my limp wristed breaking style.....
Or my limp wristed riding style.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:24 PM   #14582
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Why are the front and rear brakes linked?
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Not you BMW riders
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:29 PM   #14583
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Can they be separated from each other?
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:30 PM   #14584
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Can they be separated from each other?
No

I'm not sure if they are still linked when the ABS is deactivated.
I could never tell but it feels like they are.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:56 PM   #14585
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Plus for tenere if you hit the rear first they are not until you use the front
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:02 PM   #14586
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Plus for tenere if you hit the rear first they are not until you use the front
I think BMW is only linked when you use the front lever. The rear pedal is rear brake only.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:05 PM   #14587
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I think BMW is only linked when you use the front lever. The rear pedal is rear brake only.
That would make sense. I was just thinking that it would suck to have linked brakes on dirt/gravel since there are times when you don't want to use the front brake.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:05 PM   #14588
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I think BMW is only linked when you use the front lever. The rear pedal is rear brake only.
Correct.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:14 PM   #14589
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That would make sense. I was just thinking that it would suck to have linked brakes on dirt/gravel since there are times when you don't want to use the front brake.
I rode exclusively dirt for many years. The rear brakes always out lasted the front brakes in a ratio of 1 to 2.. there is never a point you don't use the front brake, you only use less of it. Keep in mind, while braking, something like 70% of the bike weight transfers to the front wheel, which only helps it stick better.

On my BMW I use front all the time, with ABS on, on the dirt and stone roads, and the ABS kicks in all the time, After you get used to it, the ABS makes you lazy, you no longer need to worry about applying too much front brake, the ABS takes care of it for you

I don't know for sure, but I think I have felt the Front ABS kicking in while the rear was not, and vise versa. I think it only has 1 pump, so not sure if it really can work that way, but sometimes it feels like that's true.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:18 PM   #14590
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I rode exclusively dirt for many years. The rear brakes always out lasted the front brakes in a ratio of 1 to 2.. there is never a point you don't use the front brake, you only use less of it Keep in mind, while breaking, something like 70% of the bike weight transfers to the front wheel, which only helps it stick better.

On my BMW I use front all the time, with ABS on, on the dirt and stone roads, and the ABS kicks in all the time, After you get used to it, the ABS makes you lazy, you no longer need to worry about applying too much front brake, the ABS takes care of it for you

I don't know for sure, but I think I have felt the Front ABS kicking in while the rear was not, and vise versa. I think it only has 1 pump, so not sure if it really can work that way, but sometimes it feels like that's true.
I guess this is personal preference to a point. 99% of the time on dirt or gravel I'll use both brakes, but there are times when I only want to use the rear... Then again, I've never claimed to be good at riding on dirt or gravel... or pavement.

It's funny though, I always go through rear pads way faster than fronts on my street bikes where I definitely use the front brakes way more than the rears.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:22 PM   #14591
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I rode exclusively dirt for many years. The rear brakes always out lasted the front brakes in a ratio of 1 to 2.. there is never a point you don't use the front brake, you only use less of it Keep in mind, while breaking, something like 70% of the bike weight transfers to the front wheel, which only helps it stick better.
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Funny,I raced off road many years and never had rears outlast fronts.
As a matter of fact,I've changed rear pads at re-sets and know controls during competition.

I also used the rear brake to turn in tight stuff.
Rely on the front to do 70% percent of your braking in the dirt and that's exactly where you'll end up.

It's true on Tarmac but not dirt.

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On my BMW I use front all the time, with ABS on, on the dirt and stone roads, and the ABS kicks in all the time, After you get used to it, the ABS makes you lazy, you no longer need to worry about applying too much front brake, the ABS takes care of it for you

I don't know for sure, but I think I have felt the Front ABS kicking in while the rear was not, and vise versa. I think it only has 1 pump, so not sure if it really can work that way, but sometimes it feels like that's true.
When I first got into "road" riding I left my ABS on the first time on gravel with your thought being my logic.

Never ever again.

The first time I tried to stop quickly the ABS just pulsed and I had no brakes,almost binning into a culvert pipe.

I would not suggest riding gravel with ABS on to anyone.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:26 PM   #14592
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The yamy werks damn good on dirt IMO much better than BMW at least the old ones
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:30 PM   #14593
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Funny,I raced off road many years and never had rears outlast fronts.
As a matter of fact,I've changed rear pads at re-sets and know controls during competition.

I also used the rear brake to turn in tight stuff.
Yes I had that same thing on 2 smokes, but most of the time I road big 4 strokes with major engine braking (some of them you lock the rear wheel they stall, and it takes you 5 minutes to restart them ) But again, its just riding style. Of course I was never an A rider either
I have ridden with guys who are fast as hell and never sit down, and I have ridden with guys even faster who never get out of the seat. Its all in your stile and what works for you.



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When I first got into "road" riding I left my ABS on the first time on gravel with your thought being my logic.

Never ever again.

The first time I tried to stop quickly the ABS just pulsed and I had no brakes,almost binning into a culvert pipe.

I would not suggest riding gravel with ABS on to anyone.
yes I have experienced that, but got past it, I just apply the brakes even harder once it starts to vibrate. Now the BMW does pulse them pretty quick. the alternative might be the front locks and tosses you over the corner as it goes down. Again, just different riding styles.
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Old 04-25-2013, 07:37 PM   #14594
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Yes I had that same thing on 2 smokes, but most of the time I road big 4 strokes with major engine braking (some of them you lock the rear wheel they stall, and it takes you 5 minutes to restart them ) But again, its just riding style. Of course I was never an A rider either
I have ridden with guys who are fast as hell and never sit down, and I have ridden with guys even faster who never get out of the seat. Its all in your stile and what works for you.
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True enough.

By the way,I was a sit down rider.

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yes I have experienced that, but got past it, I just apply the brakes even harder once it starts to vibrate. Now the BMW does pulse them pretty quick. the alternative might be the front locks and tosses you over the corner as it goes down. Again, just different riding styles.
I have the old ABS '05.
You're 800 must be much better off road.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:12 PM   #14595
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I think those generalizations about braking percentages are somewhat of a moving target, considering how much modulation comes into play.

And anyone who thinks of themselves of a stand up or sit down rider in the dirt prolly has not followed themselves. Most are far more transitional than they realize.
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