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Old 01-19-2010, 03:07 PM   #16
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Mike,

All excellent points. This isn't my project; just a (not much thought) suggestion. The 690 bikes have a trellis frame and plastic skid-plate. There are skid-plates which extend past the pegs so one of those would be required as you note (Flatland does not). The 690 e tends to be a bit rear heavy. I just weighed mine with full tank, tank bag, rear rack with bag of tubes, tools, rain-suit, etc. and it was 159.8 (front)+187.2 (rear) using a digital scale which is 3/4" high, so the measurement is pretty accurate. Other weights will vary depending on mods. Mine is minus a bunch and plus others and I run a Leo Vince SBK. I haven't measured where the foot pegs are along the 58" wheelbase. Again, I don't want a center stand, so I hereby tender my resignation as chief design engineer on this project. Time for a Cigar Mike.
I was not trying to be critical of you. Sorry it came off that way. I only wanted to mention that there are some difficulties when building the center stands. I found out the hard way on most of them. The skid plates themselves usually are not strong enough to support the leverage that would be place on them. I am not an engineer, I have just through trail and error discovered a few things.

Your ideas have merit and you are the only one that offered any suggestions which is a start to discussing the project and invites other ideas. Since you own the bike and I don't you would have a better idea then me on what may eventually work.

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Old 01-21-2010, 07:16 PM   #17
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Thumb hi again!

Dont resign yet, haha...(thx for the drawing allso)
I really didnīt think that i would get this good response! thx
About the pictures, well i can take a few picures an post them or maby some one else is faster than me can take some shots.

I have not yet bought a alu skidplate so thats no problem.
And im sure if I ask they can make one special out of 5mm aluminium in the bottom of it. Or ill just make my own in stainless.

I dont remember how the 640 centerstand looked like but im sure its gonna be something like that, but the rear break stuff is sure in the wrong place..

So thanks all of you and ill comeback with some pictures, dont leave the discussion if im delaying a few days
maby something like this centerstand skidplate can be made... http://www.klr650.com/strdCenSt.htm or not...

(i hope you can read my crap english)

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Old 01-22-2010, 01:35 PM   #18
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Dont resign yet, haha...(thx for the drawing allso)
I really didnīt think that i would get this good response! thx
About the pictures, well i can take a few picures an post them or maby some one else is faster than me can take some shots.

I have not yet bought a alu skidplate so thats no problem.
And im sure if I ask they can make one special out of 5mm aluminium in the bottom of it. Or ill just make my own in stainless.

I dont remember how the 640 centerstand looked like but im sure its gonna be something like that, but the rear break stuff is sure in the wrong place..

So thanks all of you and ill comeback with some pictures, dont leave the discussion if im delaying a few days
maby something like this centerstand skidplate can be made... http://www.klr650.com/strdCenSt.htm or not...

(i hope you can read my crap english)

//johan
I've recently learned from other threads that Cigar Mike is the man when it comes to centerstands, having designed and built them for other bikes.
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Old 01-22-2010, 04:53 PM   #19
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great..

So we have a stand genious here , perfect.

I have -4°C here in Sweden where i live, so its verry mild weather and the snow depth is perfect for my new spike tyres.
If i dont go for a ride, ill take some photos of the stuff under the plastic crap plate a.s.a.p.
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:52 AM   #20
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Anyone try one of these? (Link to eBay.) It looks like a workable solution for at least rear wheel tire changes.

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Old 01-24-2010, 08:03 AM   #21
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Rider warehouse

They have three different stands similar to the one FriedDuck posted.

www.riderwarehouse.com the lightest one is 6.5 ounces and packs to the size of a pair of sunglasses. You need a pool on your lower swingarm to work however.
Relatively cheap at around 42.00 dollars U.S.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:20 AM   #22
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If you are not riding solo

You don't need anything to prop your bike up if you are riding with someone else. I have propped up my bike on the side stand and another bike many times to fix a flat. I carry a couple of bungie cords to tie off the front brake so that the bikes don't roll. This is hard on the side stand but it does work.

This is easier for me.


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Old 01-24-2010, 11:38 AM   #23
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Eek picture

it was kind of dark, hope you get the "picture" anyway.
I have more, but i need your email to send those pic.

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Old 01-24-2010, 11:49 AM   #24
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Old 01-24-2010, 03:16 PM   #25
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cybbe,

What are those two black plugs at the lowest point under the footpegs? Are they a threaded connection? Can't tell from the pictures.

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Old 01-24-2010, 03:59 PM   #26
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Eh? ehrmm..

i cant explain better than this picture...
The plastic bashplate has 2 cylindrical mounts, its like male/female kind of thing lol,
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Old 01-24-2010, 04:14 PM   #27
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cybbe,

What are those two black plugs at the lowest point under the footpegs? Are they a threaded connection? Can't tell from the pictures.

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Bracket mount
pn# 7650303804401S

bolts
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m fish here http://cyclehuttktm.com/FicheFinderNew/FicheFinder.aspx#







I think


edit my bad thoes are the skid plate bung
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Old 01-24-2010, 07:04 PM   #28
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Anyone try one of these? (Link to eBay.) It looks like a workable solution for at least rear wheel tire changes.

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I carry one of these in my tank bag. Works great.
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Old 01-24-2010, 07:11 PM   #29
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cybbe,

What are those two black plugs at the lowest point under the footpegs? Are they a threaded connection? Can't tell from the pictures.

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It is a rubber bushing in a hole which a pin on the OEM skid plate fits into. Many after market skid plates use this pin-in-bushing as the rear mount for the skid plate.
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Old 01-24-2010, 09:52 PM   #30
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Bracket mount
pn# 7650303804401S

bolts
pn# 0025080456

m fish here http://cyclehuttktm.com/FicheFinderNew/FicheFinder.aspx#







I think


edit my bad thoes are the skid plate bung
From looking at the Parts Fiche for the frame it appears that the best place to make a bolt on is where both foot peg brackets bolt to the bike. It appears that mounting plates would have to sit between the brackets and the frame which will require longer bolts and possibly some spacers for the rear subframe support to line up correctly. This is similar to what DualStar does for mounting the DR and KLR on there center stands. It looks doable but will require a bit of work to get it right.

I sure like the looks of that bike, wish I had one.

Thanks for the answers to my question. I would be Leary of attaching a center stand to the skid plate mounts. It looks like a failure waiting to happen.

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