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Old 06-11-2011, 12:07 PM   #181
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A summary of some changes of the different 690RR models - based on the parts fiches. Please fill in missing details, ye of inside competition arena info knowledge:

2007-2008 1st gen 690 RFR - "The Original/Default"
* No catalysators
* Short silencers
* Big TwinAir foam filter on 1st gen airbox
* Carbonfibre rear tray with Iritrack holder - weak 4-point attachment rear tray tend to break off with taillight ( fatigue breakages require proactive additional custom external braces )
* the most noisy variant - both exhaust-wise and induction-noise-wise

2009-2010 2nd gen - improved
* longer stock silencers to reduce sound output
* customer replica comes with 2 catalysators located before silencers
* improved airbox allowing either smaller TwinAir foam filter or paper filter with snorkel
* improved rear suspension components ( better rebound stack )
* reinforced rear tail tray (+ tail fender and tail-light/brake light) with metal frame - for better vibration- and abuse tolerance
* Akrapovic titanium slipon silencers become available for reduced noise output - ASO/FIM compliant

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Old 06-13-2011, 12:26 PM   #182
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All right folks, I did try with Motul 7100 10W-60 today.

Motor is 20,7 hours old, and got a bit beaten last weekend in Sweden, so I gave it a new oil.

Definitely NO GO ..

Clutch is slipping from second gear, immediately after oil change, with just gentle pull on gas bike keeps revving without movement. I did 4km, than gave up and rolled back to workshop, threw oil away and replaced again with Motorex 10W-60.

It took 42km to get clutch back to normal, quite frustrating.

I never ever before had bad experience with Motul, we sell this oil for over 10 years, all our Hondas run on it. Though I always recommend Motorex or Castrol for KTM.

I will give it a try with Castrol 10W-60 and Motorex 20W-60, but not in stock at the moment.

Pilbara, I wil ask around for your water tank and toolbox, but do you want this for 690 RR or 450 RR ?

450 RR does have only one toolbox, other side is occupied by water tank (which is actually causing a bit of a trouble, as if you drive with empty tank, exhaust will burn hole in it. You will need also to warm it up in specific place with heat gun and push it inwards plus attach small square of heat shield tape.)
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Old 06-13-2011, 05:27 PM   #183
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Oil and engine guard parts

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Pilbara, I wil ask around for your water tank and toolbox, but do you want this for 690 RR or 450 RR ?
Hello 690RR, I want the toolboxes for the 690RR and, I have made mounts on my other bikes to fit the rally bashplate so this is why I want the water tank too. I think it will fit on my G450X and this would be good. I also need the toolbox for the 950SE with a rally bash plate.

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450 RR does have only one toolbox, other side is occupied by water tank (which is actually causing a bit of a trouble, as if you drive with empty tank, exhaust will burn hole in it. You will need also to warm it up in specific place with heat gun and push it inwards plus attach small square of heat shield tape.)
I would think that there may be a few mods needed but I would like to give it a try. What sort of clearance is under the 450RR engine case to engine guard? The parts list of the 450RR shows both the left and right toolbox part numbers. Interesting that has only one toolbox...which side?

Any lead you can PM me for these parts or anyone else would be hugely appreciated as I am turning up blank with dealers.

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Old 06-15-2011, 05:15 AM   #184
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Is there a engine workshop manual available for the rr?.Also had a chance to look at 690r today,is a rr frame got larger diameter tubing than a 690r?.

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Old 06-23-2011, 11:49 AM   #185
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My local dealer - Star Motor - delivered these beauties today. According to them these are the last remaining new 690 Rally Akra slipons. They were mysteriously labeled "KTM 610 Rally". Both pots labelled part # 110543.









Edit: The price was 1350,- € (Euros )
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Old 06-24-2011, 12:17 AM   #186
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My local dealer - Star Motor - delivered these beauties today. According to them these are the last remaining new 690 Rally Akra slipons. They were mysteriously labeled "KTM 610 Rally". Both pots labelled part # 110543.









Edit: The price was 1350,- € (Euros )
Hallo Norway,

very nice looking these titanium exhausts and they are not so expensive for two pieces !!!

But i have to ask my KTM rally friend, why all the pros with a 690 RR not used them any time. They were going to the races always with the OEM parts.

How big is the difference in weight from the titanium exhaust to the steel parts ?

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Old 06-24-2011, 04:00 AM   #187
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Ohhh, uppps, sorry, what a mistake from my side !

Marc Coma had the Akrapovic exhausts on the Central European Rally 2008 in Ungaria on his 690 RR rally mounted.

But after nobody of the top rally drivers more.



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Old 06-24-2011, 07:34 AM   #188
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Edit: That's Marc Coma with the slimmed Rally Light kit ( smaller front tank etc. ). That indicates a more technical race requiring a different setup for more enduro-like riding and more twisty sections. On the more stretched out Dakar-rally or other rallies with less technical twisties the two 9+9 litre (18litres) front tanks and more open OEM silencers were employed.

These slipons were made to satisfy ASO/FIM noise regulations. Most likely the top riders encountered a horsepower/torque deficit with them. After all, they used either factory-tuned 789cc or 730cc versions of the engine. That's the most likely explanation why they didn't see much usage afterwards. I also expect a slight decrease in torque/hp, but since I'm not competing I really don't care that much. This thing has a massive midrange, will move faster than I've got the skills to exploit fully and is raw delight to ride anyhow.

I suspect they weigh a bit more than the noisy short OEM silencers on my 2008 - mainly due to more noise-dampening stuffing material in a bigger/longer silencer. This doesn't matter even the slightest for my public road usage. My main objective is to soften the noise emissions and blend more in than before.

It's worth noticing they came with DB-killers readily installed. I therefore expect my motor to run a bit rich unless I rejet it. If it starts backfiring I'll simply have it rejetted - or just take out the DB-killers and live with it. They'll be better for my usage profile than the shorty OEM pots anyhow.
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Old 06-24-2011, 03:35 PM   #189
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Took half an hour to renew the sound signature from "obnoxiously loud" to "tolerable, more neighbourhood-friendly thumper"

Did a short test ride - still a masculine thumper drone, some less torque, but far more acceptable street decibels emitting through the db-killers. Excellent quality item - highly recommended if you street-reg your 690RR. And sweet looks - IMHO.
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Old 06-25-2011, 04:14 PM   #190
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The Akra verdict after a 70 km ride and no rejetting: Noticable loss of torque, hp and engine response with the db-killers.
I'll remove the latter and see what happens since the beast looses too much character in its most ear-friendly configuration.

I reckon a dyno-based rejetting is required here.
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Old 06-27-2011, 02:00 PM   #191
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@norway,

No question, Acras look best.
But power and torque? No chance.
Previously I had an engine with 790ccm, 75 horsepower, torque 90nm
and the exhaust was very loud.
SR Racing has done 2 muffler me then, lawful
80HP-98Nm!

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Old 07-13-2011, 02:52 PM   #192
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Is there anyone with a 690 rally owners manual who would mind sharing the base carb settings? Want to know needle type and jets.
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Old 07-14-2011, 11:49 AM   #194
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Is that user manual setting for
A) the factory, unrestricted silencers? Or
B) for the enclosed restricted ones - and with the restrictor plate on the airbox? ..and
C) which model year (short or long factory silencers)?
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:55 PM   #195
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@norway,
It makes no difference what mod. you have. (open, long silenser)
My first answer shows a 690RR 2010/2011

The lower sheet shows a 690 RR from 2008
with 12.5 KW!!!!!! (Short silencer)
You look at the red lines as KTM reduces performance.
I drive the same carburetor with all the nozzles 790 ccm/98 Nm.




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