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Old 08-29-2013, 02:34 AM   #2596
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Old 08-29-2013, 03:15 AM   #2597
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Anyone else notice one bike with left side exhaust, the other on the right?
Possibly an "old" 450rr to use as a comparison?
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Old 08-29-2013, 03:23 AM   #2598
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I've avoided weighing into this discussion about the new KTM Rally bike, because I'm obviously a bit one-eyed to Orange. But ... the driver for an update to the 450RFR has to be about "apparent" weight and nimbleness, not "actual" weight. My 530EXC with Mecasystem kit weighs 146kg dry. My 450RFR weighs 136kg dry. My 530 "feels" lighter and is definitely infinitely more nimble. So a 450RFR with slightly different frame and steering geometry and a shorter swingarm, will reduce stability and increase nimbleness. FI just brings it up a notch for the huge elevation changes in the El Dakaro of recent years.

That's pretty much all it needs to continue to thrash the opposition for several more years. The engine is already well proven and has had a few tweaks over the years, mainly in the gearbox area, so just the FI is all it needs. I'd think closing the geometry gap to about halfway between the existing 450RFR and the 450EXC would be about spot on.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:09 AM   #2599
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Bike weight

Would someone enlighten me as to the weight of the current KTM Dakar bikes? How about the old 990 Dakar bikes?

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Old 08-30-2013, 07:49 AM   #2600
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I've avoided weighing into this discussion about the new KTM Rally bike, because I'm obviously a bit one-eyed to Orange.
Good comments!

I'm of the opinion that the stability of the current bike is often an advantage, the Dakar is rarely about tight and technical. I think the on paper advantage of the 'lighter' mx based machines from other manufacturers doesn't necessarily translate to distance made good in Dakar, and the results would seem to bear that out.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:01 AM   #2601
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:16 AM   #2602
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Would someone enlighten me as to the weight of the current KTM Dakar bikes? How about the old 990 Dakar bikes?

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Errr ... I thought I did:
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My 450RFR weighs 136kg dry.
My 450RFR is still "current". I doubt the latest offerings from other manufacturers will be very different from that.
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Old 08-30-2013, 12:04 PM   #2603
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So a 450RFR with slightly different frame and steering geometry and a shorter swingarm, will reduce stability and increase nimbleness.

I'd think closing the geometry gap to about halfway between the existing 450RFR and the 450EXC would be about spot on.

I thought that an extended swingarm and a little more relaxed steering angle was a desirable trait? Aside from mistake free navigation, isn't speed (where stability would be a big factor) high on the list of important traits?

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Old 08-31-2013, 04:06 AM   #2604
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Comparison. Very hard to tell as the photo is terrible and it looks like the frame is either black or dark grey making detail very scant.

There appears to be a significantly less amount of triangulated bracing tubes on the trellis compared to the old ones. Also seems that they are using an RHS or oval aero section as opposed to round tube for the trellis bracing.

Coma's Rally frames had less bracing in them some years ago and I am also thinking that it looks shorter but that is purely an uneducated perception.

More photos will tell all....

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Old 08-31-2013, 10:47 AM   #2605
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Ok, you got me. Google for that road number and "Dune" and you get a BLM map of that dune area. But that was after I already spent 10 minutes looking at the mountains in the vid and GE and figured it must be that place. Searching the road number confirmed it. Hey, that's not far off from the way I mapped the Dakar stages a couple of years ago. Google search is your friend, and lots of work on Google Earth seals the deal! Taking it as a challenge to find this stuff makes it fun!
I believe that's a disqualification for disclosing our route finding magic to the masses.

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Yes, as long as it is today, the last test ...
Travelled almost 700 miles Consumed 163 l fuel maximum speed over 170 miles per hour.
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170km/hr is a good 10km/hr faster than the old bike...

Probably weighs in 5-10kg less, not much more with no more carb and a few less cross trusses in the frame. Not to mention EFI is a little more fuel efficient. So there is the answer?

Great scoop as always Chris, thanks buddy.
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Old 09-01-2013, 07:47 AM   #2606
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:44 AM   #2607
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nice! Are they going to Dakar? Any link?
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:50 AM   #2608
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nice! Are they going to Dakar? Any link?
It's Erick Meier's team. He raced 2013 and is racing 2014 as well.

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Old 09-03-2013, 09:43 AM   #2609
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Honda HRC, is to test new DAKAR bike in Caifornia or close area this week.
Pizzolito already reaching LAX, and I understand rest of the HRC (not Honda Speedbrain) riders will be there too.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:49 AM   #2610
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