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Old 10-07-2013, 01:01 PM   #2731
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I think, Mr Too Old you are putting too much faith in Bam Bam...

Fast? Yes
History of not finishing races? Yes

Him passing the entire (well almost the entire field) field of the world's best in one day? Not likely in my opinion

Who takes the podium? My bet has to be on Coma, Helder in second and speedy in third. Simply my pure speculation on how I think it'll end up

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Old 10-07-2013, 02:37 PM   #2732
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Is it just the entry list or the definitive starting list?
It must be just the entry list... #19 Warren Strange will not be riding anywhere in the near future after a nasty injury at the Oz Safari a couple weeks back. Which makes me wonder who (if) there will be a replacement* on the Oz KTM team to partner # 18 Ben Grabham (3 time Oz Safari Winner, multiple Oz Endure champ and ISDE gold medallist). Ben is shaping up for his second shot at Dakar, after his debut finish last year, Maroc is part of the preparation/testing for the big show in january.

* After his showing on the Husky Speedbrain outfit at Maroc and Dakar this past year, I would think that fellow Aussie Matt Fish would put his hand up for a spot as warrens replacement?

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He is very quick and will have 22 guys to chase down, so if it's sandy as promised/stated then not much navigation with tracks to follow.

Mind you if it's dusty then that could slow him also if he can't pass!

The bike is well tested and pretty good by all accounts and he has spent a few hours on it now - just a hunch for day 1, Casseli will be up there also.

On the whole yes, a pretty good field and difficult to split - definitely to be won by he who has least errors
I'll back Too old on this one. There are two guys in the second batch of 20 that posses the outright cross country/baja racing type speed, that IF it is off piste/sand type terrain for leg one (not the dusty bomb run type high speed roads that it can be... which are NOT conducive to passing/making time on the leaders), then both Caselli (at pos 20) and Barreda (pos 23) have good footing to pull six to ten minutes on the front pack of ten (at two minute start intervalls) as they can get a bead on riders in pos 11 thru 19 and pick off perhaps eight to ten of them, as the leaders play pathfinder (nearly always a five or six minute handicap) as they try to pick up the WP's and follow the CAP headings in the open terrain. Kurt and Joan will have anywhere from 19 to about a dozen wheel tracks to give them visual prompts as the follow the roadbook and WP's... so the Too Old prediction has some sound merit 4 sure.

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I think, Mr Too Old you are putting too much faith in Bam Bam...


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Old 10-07-2013, 02:47 PM   #2733
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It must be just the entry list... #19 Warren Strange will not be riding anywhere in the near future after a nasty injury at the Oz Safari a couple weeks back.
That was my guess too, confirmed by what I read on the NPO Site:

Rallye MOTO / QUAD :
“Conformément aux annexes FIM 2013, les numéros de course seront attribués en fonction du classement du Championnat du Monde 2013, à l’issue de la dernière Manche réalisée, puis, par ordre d’arrivée au secrétariat”


after all is clearly written above the list:
"ENTRY LIST BIKE/QUAD"


Now I'm just curious to know the Merzouga Rally entry list
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:52 PM   #2734
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I agree that he could certainly push the pace and catch a fair number of riders if he is following tracks, but I don't think it would be in his favor to go into a leading situation early where he had to mind the navigation as intently. Wouldn't he benefit from sitting back in a safe position early on and attacking after a few days in? To me that would make sense if he wants a win and not just a stage or two. If you say the bike is well sorted I will take your word on it, as you seem to have the inside scoop on these things.

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It may, but we have seen the more open track European rally's won and lost by several minutes if not seconds this year, so if JB believes he could pull a couple of minutes in starting back in the field - well

Also I'm not too sure if "sitting back" is in his nature
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:56 PM   #2735
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I think, Mr Too Old you are putting too much faith in Bam Bam...

Fast? Yes
History of not finishing races? Yes

Him passing the entire (well almost the entire field) field of the world's best in one day? Not likely in my opinion

Who takes the podium? My bet has to be on Coma, Helder in second and speedy in third. Simply my pure speculation on how I think it'll end up

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I'm only talking about day 1 - track record known, although he did win Pharoans last year!

I would expect him to pass quite a few of the slower riders and pull time on the quicker ones - just look back to Abu Dhabi when the prologue winners chose to start as far back as possible - for me it just looks like the new HRC engine will get a stern test on day 1

Podium - well some of the top guys know the area like their own back yards, but you know I have #5 in the frame

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Old 10-07-2013, 07:16 PM   #2736
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That was my guess too, confirmed by what I read on the NPO Site:

Rallye MOTO / QUAD :
“Conformément aux annexes FIM 2013, les numéros de course seront attribués en fonction du classement du Championnat du Monde 2013, à l’issue de la dernière Manche réalisée, puis, par ordre d’arrivée au secrétariat”


after all is clearly written above the list:
"ENTRY LIST BIKE/QUAD"


Now I'm just curious to know the Merzouga Rally entry list
Hmm - maybe I read things wrong? cl. 12 and 12.2 in particular

http://npo.fr/TRANSFERT/ReglementMOT...013-VA-DEF.pdf

So if the top 10 start in reverse order then Coma is off 10th.

This will give a bit of an initiative to the top guys!
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:25 AM   #2737
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Don't read too much into Chavo's number. He's on the 450 Speedbrain for Morocco but his start number is probably more indicative of the fact that he contested the opening part of the rally season on over 450 bikes. After becoming +450 world champ, he moved to the 450 limit in prep for Dakar.

Rumor has it that Chaleco has elected to stick with the current bike for a secure result as opposed to being the testing guinea pig.
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:49 AM   #2738
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Honda Presents the Dakar Rally: New CRF450 RALLY

Honda has released the official photos of the new CRF450 RALLY, model designed specifically for Rally racing. The TEAM HRC (Honda factory team) will participate in the CRF450 RALLY in the next Dakar Rally 2014-Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, in January 2014.

The TEAM HRC returned to Dakar Rally in January 2013 for the first time after 24 years and made him a CRF450 RALLY prototype based on commercial competition model CRF450X, enduro model Honda. The 2013 Dakar Rally generated valuable information on key areas such as engine power, aerodynamic performance, durability and maintenance requirements, used as a basis for further design modifications and improvements. The resulting new model retains the program RALLY CRF450 Fuel Injection (PGM-FI *), system electronic fuel injection that has shown proven performance in the harsh and highly variable environmental conditions of the Dakar Rally. The new CRF450 RALLY TEAM will be used by the HRC and will be released to other equipment such as production motorcycle rally in 2014.

The TEAM HRC participate in the Morocco Rally 2013 which starts on 13 October with the CRF450 RALLY, using the same combination of five drivers and five motorcycles for the 2014 Dakar Rally. It is expected that the current testing race conditions can provide useful information for further improvements.

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Old 10-08-2013, 07:50 AM   #2739
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Old 10-08-2013, 07:56 AM   #2740
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Esthetically, it's a lot more streamlined then last year.
Very pretty bike.


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Old 10-08-2013, 07:58 AM   #2741
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:01 AM   #2742
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:34 AM   #2743
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Honda brings the MotoGP tech...

...front and rear wheel sensors suggest traction control...
...rumored, MotoGP derived, "intelligent direction shock"...
...rumored dual injection...

I do know the entire rear subframe is carbon and apparently the engine is completely new, hand crafted by HRC with some unobtanium internals. The rumors are strong about a lot of bleed over from the MotoGP engineers.

Did top level rallying just become much, much more expensive?
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:38 AM   #2744
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Did top level rallying just become much, much more expensive?

Only if they win. And then win again next year and a few more after that.

If they don't put enough gas, they will have another NR750.
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Old 10-08-2013, 08:55 AM   #2745
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Only if they win. And then win again next year and a few more after that.

If they don't put enough gas, they will have another NR750.
Eventually they will ... Even if that means that they have to bend the rules
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