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Old 11-14-2013, 05:25 AM   #3241
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Mmm unless your are hyper well connected or very wealthy, they may look the same but as per my experience with the 660 and the 690 only the factory boys have the real trick bits.

Ps why 4 sets to test if the internals are the same? Otherwise it is just settings . One sets may cost more than a 450rr
1) That's where they come from, the factory supported riders / teams

2) There was a set on Ebay last month.

3) It's not down to wealth, if you want / need the performance of these forks, you have to pay for it.

4) You can buy them.......you just need connections

5) Believe me, the cost is nothing like the cost of a 450RR

6) Reason for 4 sets. I could go on for a long time here but the Dakar is a complex race. Some stages are mostly sand, some are all rocks / hard-pack, etc. They also have a service life of 20 hours etc etc.

Hopefully this answers your questions.

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Old 11-14-2013, 07:08 AM   #3242
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Hi Pyn! Sorry for the ignorant question, but what needs to be done on them every 20hrs?

Is it something you (or me) could do? Im asking because I have an unused set.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:28 AM   #3243
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Hi Pyn! Sorry for the ignorant question, but what needs to be done on them every 20hrs?

Good question. I'd like to know this as well.

Also, what part of this suspension pushes the price so high? Is it the materials, machining processes, tolerances, skilled labor or all of the above?

High-end optics comes to mind. 100$ lens looks and performs almost the same as the 100k $ lens, but the difference is there to whom it matters.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:25 AM   #3244
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Hi Pyn! Sorry for the ignorant question, but what needs to be done on them every 20hrs?
WP forks - seals I would imagine... ahem.

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Old 11-14-2013, 12:49 PM   #3245
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Hi Pyn! Sorry for the ignorant question, but what needs to be done on them every 20hrs?

Is it something you (or me) could do? Im asking because I have an unused set.
The answer is not straight forward, as always with these things.

- For the factory teams it's all about ensuring ultimate reliability and performance. Fresh oils mainly but the aluminium tubes on the 52's need more maintenance, checking for run-out and damage for example. And, why not, they are not paying for it.

- For me I push them to 40 hours cos I can live with it. For example, the WP Trax shocks, I have had filed rebound bypass springs numerous times now so I increase the service intervals just to check them and change the oil at the same time.

- For the lower end rider (based on what I have seen from the abysmal condition of customers forks) just leave them till they go wrong!! Typically this level of rider cannot feel that they are not working at their best anyway

What people don't realise about the cone valve forks is that if you are not pushing exceptionally hard and really hitting things, you may as well save the money and have a standard fork. The cone valves are probably worse than a well set-up set of open chambers for extreme enduro or slow trail riding, I've proven that myself. I am only on the border of making the cone valves work for me, I can feel a big advantage at speed and on the big hits.

An unused set eh? Message me the WP serial number off the top will ya
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:51 PM   #3246
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Good question. I'd like to know this as well.

Also, what part of this suspension pushes the price so high? Is it the materials, machining processes, tolerances, skilled labor or all of the above?

High-end optics comes to mind. 100$ lens looks and performs almost the same as the 100k $ lens, but the difference is there to whom it matters.
The price is not so high but the thing that pushes them skyward is the limited numbers, the size, tolerances and finish required on the aluminium lower tubes, the oversize upper tubes to compensate for the alu lowers and also the carbon internals.

Well said on the last sentence......it is exactly that.
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:09 PM   #3247
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Supermoto guys service there forks every 5ish hour! :lol
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:30 PM   #3248
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Kurt gone?

Say it isn't so!

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Old 11-15-2013, 09:58 PM   #3249
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:07 PM   #3250
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RIP Kurt

It's on his FB and on the Baja 1000 thread

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Very sad day, a tragedy.

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Old 11-15-2013, 10:33 PM   #3251
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Old 11-15-2013, 11:32 PM   #3252
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Ride in PEACE Kurt !!!
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:20 AM   #3253
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Back in the 660 and early 690 days , Dabrowski et al didn't have factory forks.
Begging at the racing department was the only option.

The factory mechanics set up the forks on the 690 i rode for a little while and they worked a hell of a lot better. A factory set was not for sale. Over the counter.

It's not what you know it's who you know.

I know what you mean about pushing to the limit to get it working, the 690 was scary not as scary as a 660 though, hopefully a 450 feels better.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:19 AM   #3254
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Wow! Kurt killed??? And on his backyard event too? As Pyndon said: "I am gutted!"

How could this be possible! I saw him race the Dakar just this Jan in Peru! He rode up among our group of 10 bikes heading south down the Panam on his way to stage 1, stayed with us for a while, then sped on ahead. Very unassuming...

He will be sorely missed !
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Old 11-16-2013, 07:23 AM   #3255
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JuST saw the Caselli news on the KTM site. Brutal.
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