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Old 02-06-2013, 08:23 PM   #15916
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Seems to be a bit of confusion about whether this is the new 2013 or the old 2013.
As someone pointed out it's hard to imagine being the new one as the transmission in the new one is integrated and doesn't have it's own oil pressure. So that person said it can't be the new one. I'm not technically savvy enough to verify that though.

So, don't get over-excited with "Schadenfreude" just yet ...
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:31 PM   #15917
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As someone pointed out it's hard to imagine being the new one as the transmission in the new one is integrated and doesn't have it's own oil pressure. So that person said it can't be the new one. I'm not technically savvy enough to verify that though.

So, don't get over-excited with "Schadenfreude" just yet ...
Not getting excited. Stuff like this just seems to keep popping up. Like I said I'll pop back in a few months to see what the latest is. I'm in no hurry.

They need to have a big look at what the QA department is doing I think. The designs are good, or over the top, depending on the point of view, but it is fun to see just what will happen next...

It's like a watching Breaking BAD..

BMW - The Walter White of motorcycle manufactures.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:32 PM   #15918
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As someone pointed out it's hard to imagine being the new one as the transmission in the new one is integrated and doesn't have it's own oil pressure. So that person said it can't be the new one. I'm not technically savvy enough to verify that though.

So, don't get over-excited with "Schadenfreude" just yet ...


Folks might want to read the quote again, carefully...


Quote:
"According to Transport Canada, transmission oil pressure on certain BMW R1200GS units may get too high, resulting in a leak in the output shaft sealing ring. An oil leak directly in front of the rear tire could result in a loss of traction and stability, potentially leading to a crash.
The 2013 BMW R1200GS is almost entirely new, including the transmission which is fully integrated into the engine casing, so there’s no worry about this issue affecting previous model years.
BMW dealers will install an oil restrictor to reduce the oil pressure at the transmission output. The Transport Canada recall affects 31 units of the 2013 BMW R1200GS.
We will have more information if and when NHTSA posts a similar recall for the U.S."


Looks to me like their saying that this issue does *NOT* affect *PREVIOUS* model years, meaning those prior to this new 2013 model... And further that it clearly that this recall affects those 31 of the new 2013 BMW R1200G/S...

And just because the transmission is now contained inside the same engine cases as the rest of the engine does not necessarily mean that the engine section and transmission section operate at the same pressures, especially if BMW is trying to seriously scavenge the rod-journal area of the crankcase section for maximum efficiency and minimal pumping loses like engine designers do these days.

Just FYI.

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Old 02-06-2013, 08:43 PM   #15919
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Folks might want to read the quote again, carefully...
I think it depends on what Canada calls a 2013 GS. But MCN has a picture of the new one..



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Old 02-06-2013, 09:00 PM   #15920
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Makes you kinda wish something would break on a Tenere so we wouldn't
have to sniff around other brands for discussion.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:10 PM   #15921
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Makes you kinda wish something would break on a Tenere so we wouldn't
have to sniff around other brands for discussion.





Ain't it the truth!

But can't you just hear what those Beemer pilots would be saying if they looked in here?

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Little would they realize...

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Old 02-06-2013, 09:16 PM   #15922
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Makes you kinda wish something would break on a Tenere so we wouldn't
have to sniff around other brands for discussion.
No But you are right. I suppose in a few years things might start getting exciting round here...

Anyone approaching 200,000Miles on the S10 yet?
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:18 PM   #15923
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Can you believe it? All those Souper Ten-Ner guys ever talk about are BMW's. Gotta' be envy for all the character, technology, and breeding our Roundel Ranger mounts have... Makes me almost spill my Starbucks while tanning my whale foreskin just thinkin' about it."
I can't see with this huge cloud of SMUG around here guys, What was that you wrote Dalllara?...
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:23 PM   #15924
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Laugh maybe not 2, but...

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No But you are right. I suppose in a few years things might start getting exciting round here...

Anyone approaching 200,000Miles on the S10 yet?


Sail2xxs over on the Super Tenere forum will crack 100,000 miles this year on his bike, I'm sure (he's at over 72,000 in less than 18 months)... And he'll freely send you his maintenance and upkeep records and costs for his time of ownership just for the asking. I've seen his data and it's pretty amazing. The bike's tougher than an anvil and just as reliable.

No doubt there will a lot of Super Tenere's do 200-K, no problem.

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Old 02-06-2013, 09:52 PM   #15925
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Sail2xxs over on the Super Tenere forum will crack 100,000 miles this year on his bike, I'm sure (he's at over 72,000 in less than 18 months)... And he'll freely send you his maintenance and upkeep records and costs for his time of ownership just for the asking. I've seen his data and it's pretty amazing. The bike's tougher than an anvil and just as reliable.

No doubt there will a lot of Super Tenere's do 200-K, no problem.

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Old 02-06-2013, 10:12 PM   #15926
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Folks might want to read the quote again, carefully...
That was a quote from what an inmate added, not the real recall. The recall says:

"On certain motorcycles, transmission oil pressure may be too high, causing the output shaft sealing ring to leak. Oil leakage ahead of the rear tire could render the vehicle unstable. This could result in a crash causing property damage and/or personal injury. Correction: Dealers will install an oil restrictor to reduce oil pressure at the transmssion output."

Original can be found here:

http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall...22751r-eng.php

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Looks to me like their saying that this issue does *NOT* affect *PREVIOUS* model years, meaning those prior to this new 2013 model... And further that it clearly that this recall affects those 31 of the new 2013 BMW R1200G/S...
I think you need the full context - the quote above is, as I said, from an inmate, who mixed his own comment into the recall text. Which is pretty bad form, but happens all the time.

The quote I was referring to is (from inmate Marchyman):

"Think about it for a bit... The recall is about transmission pressure. The LC bike doesn't have a separate transmission with its own transmission fluid that can experience high pressure."

I'm not saying that it's not a recall for a bike that wasn't even delivered or for a small number of bikes of the currently outgoing oil/air cooled DOHC model. I'm saying it's unclear.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:17 PM   #15927
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Actually I have to correct myself:

The added line in the quote was not from an inmate but from motorcycle.com:

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/02/0...sion-oil-leak/

Don't think they know any more and are guessing as to which model is actually affected.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:18 PM   #15928
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That sounds as exciting as a refrigerator.

One way to look at it... But I like my refrigerator, and it's been reliable as, well... A Yamaha Super Tenere, and for over 15 years. It's great to know you can depend on something.

Of course, my 2008 Ducati D16RR Desmosedici has never given me any trouble, either... Nor did my ol' Hypermotard.

Now my BMW's on the other hand... Geez!

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Old 02-06-2013, 10:24 PM   #15929
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Actually I have to correct myself:

The added line in the quote was not from an inmate but from motorcycle.com:

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/02/0...sion-oil-leak/

Don't think they know any more and are guessing as to which model is actually affected.
I was about to say that is from the site itself BUT it still may be wrong...

It may apply to the 2012 2013 model and not the 2013 2013 model if you get what I am saying

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/...eng&rn=2013040
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:29 PM   #15930
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Actually I have to correct myself:

The added line in the quote was not from an inmate but from motorcycle.com:

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/02/0...sion-oil-leak/

Don't think they know any more and are guessing as to which model is actually affected.

Here's the actual Transport Canada description page for the recall:

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/...chResult&pg=-1


Here's a couple of other pages from there that some may find interesting:

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/...&ft=&ls=0&sy=0

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/...&ft=&ls=0&sy=0

I'll still bet this recall is for the new "Water Boxer".

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