The Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z Big Thread

[kirikoe]

After 1400 km i have an average consumption of 5,6 L / 100 km

I think the indication of the fuel comsumption is not accurate .
You have a 23 liter fuel tank , reserve is 3,9 L so i asume you can put about 19 L in it . But I could only put 17 L .

[Old Git Ray]

Originally Posted by Gadget Boy

You need the GS911 gadget to access the bike's computer, read and reset faults and reset the word "service" on the LCD display.

Pretty good mileage, is that on regular or premium fuel?

95 Octane, I think you (Americans) call that regular.

[Old Git Ray]

Originally Posted by kirikoe

After 1400 km i have an average consumption of 5,6 L / 100 km

I think the indication of the fuel comsumption is not accurate .
You have a 23 liter fuel tank , reserve is 3,9 L so i asume you can put about 19 L in it . But I could only put 17 L .

Thats about 51 mpg imperial. I would think that to be about right for what I have seen so far as an overall average.
My 09 GSA's overall average was about 43. Snigger...

[GrahamD]

Originally Posted by Old Git Ray

95 Octane, I think you (Americans) call that regular.

91 RON = 87 AKI
95 RON = 91 AKI
98 RON = 94 AKI


RON European, Australian Headline number
AKI US, Canada, Brazil Headline number

Cheers

[Paulvt1]

Are you enjoying it Ray?

[R3B]

Originally Posted by eakins

i'm really gonna bang my head on the wall when i hear about the first guy who owns a tenere & a s10 l

Don't you worry, the Tenere is my girls, actually she still is the owner of my Beemer too, i'm just the owner of some 30 year old XT's and the Mulhacen and the Tricker :-)
(in Holland you have to pay to officially part ownership, so we never bothered)

But i'm as anxious as you are, especcially i'll now have to sell our beloved Mantra and Motor Morini to pay up for the S10, that makes me feel weary.

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About the service interval, i asked Piet the mechanic of Termaat what it will cost, about 140 to 160€ every 10.000, and a little more at 40.000 for the first valve checkup, a service is just changing fluids now aday's and check nuts and blots on tightness and ping the spokes. So about three hours effective workshop hours.

And seen the thickness of the spokes they won't need retightening likewise the shims underthe valvecups. It's more hassle to reshim them when needed, but in actual practice the valvetrain doesn't need attention before the third checkup (being at 120 KKM)...

[WFRTony]

Originally Posted by Old Git Ray

Look back over the last two years worth of exchange rates for the Yen/Dollar, about 15% drop, about 30% for the Euro and Pound.

Yes we do thinlk its high, but its not because Yamaha are being greedy.

Is the S10 more expensive to build than the FJR 1300, and is there any reason that it would retail for more if it were brought to the US?

[GB]

Originally Posted by WFRTony

Is the S10 more expensive to build than the FJR 1300, and is there any reason that it would retail for more if it were brought to the US?

The Euro price has nothing to do with what the bike will sell for in the US. Just compare the Euro price for the FJR vs. the US price for the FJR. It's a lot less $$ on this side of the world.

We should wait and see what the price will be over here... let's not forget that the FJR is closing in on 10 years of age and it's tooling has been more than recovered. It is my understanding that Yamaha needs to sell 3000 First Edition S10's in Europe to recover a good portion of their investment. The price for the second year S10 which will not have included panniers will be less. From what I've read in this thread from a French rider, the Euro price is still less than a comprably equipped 1200GS.

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by WFRTony

Is the S10 more expensive to build than the FJR 1300, and is there any reason that it would retail for more if it were brought to the US?

Tough to compare and bike mfgs have other considerations rather than the direct cost of goods - research and development has to be amortized over differing volumes of bikes with different useful lives. Margins can be different depending on the objectives of the model. Bikes have to be priced with respect to the competition. And finally, a mfg may make an arbitrary decision that they are going to price a bike for low-volume and high-profit rather than the opposite. Witness the Honda DN-01.

The classic example of how a bike price may not reflect its cost to produce is 600cc vs. 1000cc sportbikes. By all accounts, the 600cc bikes cost about the same to make as the 1000cc bikes, but they cost $2.5K less. Mfgs deliberately take a much smaller margin on the smaller bike because they feel they need to be competitive and get new riders into the fold. They've determined that having this odd pricing structure is the best way to maximize profits for their entire line of bikes even if they may lose money on a single model.

Certainly there is a bit "less" bike in a S10 than a FJR, but OTOH, the S10 has similar systems with respect to things like shaft drive and the electronics package on the S10 is more sophisticated. I doubt the S10 is a whole lot cheaper to build.

Predicting a North American price for a S10 has been a slippery subject. I will say this - it would be suicide for Yamaha to introduce this model at a higher apples-to-apples price than a BMW GS. And they know this. So IF we get it (big if), then I suspect it will be similarly priced to a GS, perhaps a bit less. If Yamaha can't make money at this level, they won't import it. Whether this means the same price or $3K less is the big question. My guess would be slightly ($500-$1K) less.

- Mark

[AndreiZ]

Hello everybody
I was a longtime lurker reading this topic until today when I decided to turn legitimate and register. Thank you all for all the information you have put in this topic.
I'm the proud owner of the first S10 in Romania that replaced a 08 XT660Z Tenere. History repeating I ordered the bike as soon as it was available on-line. Same as with the small Tenere I am very pleased with the bike. It has exceeded all my expectation by far. 760 km since this last Friday delivery. Extraordinary!
PS Picture will follow as soon as I will figure out how to upload :(

[GB]

Originally Posted by AndreiZ

PS Picture will follow as soon as I will figure out how to upload :(

Congrats you lucky man!! Uploads don't work most of the time. Post your pics on a pic hosting site and then link them here. Register at smugmug.com if you want to support this site, or photobucket.com or imageshack.com which are free, but full of advertising.

Did you order it online without test riding it first?

[Parigi]

Welcome to the forum, Andrei! Which dealer did you buy it from? We are looking forward to your pics with the new bike in its natural environment. How about some pics from Apuseni or Transalpina?

[R3B]

Originally Posted by AndreiZ

PS Picture will follow as soon as I will figure out how to upload :(

It's linking only, as far as i know, so you place your pickers at Picasa webalbums or the like, the copy the adres of the pic, and then click on the yellow square with the mountains and moon, next to the textballoon (quotes)

Place it in front of Peles, or ask someone to take a picture climbing Transfageras :-)

[stubmw]

Originally Posted by markjenn

Predicting a North American price for a S10 has been a slippery subject. I will say this - it would be suicide for Yamaha to introduce this model at a higher apples-to-apples price than a BMW GS. And they know this. So IF we get it (big if), then I suspect it will be similarly priced to a GS, perhaps a bit less. If Yamaha can't make money at this level, they won't import it. Whether this means the same price or $3K less is the big question. My guess would be slightly ($500-$1K) less.

Perhaps........If the S10 is of similar quality, workmanship and material as the GS, Yamaha could show some corparate balls and price it way below the GS and bury BMW. Capture the market. These Japanese manufactors use to have this .......Balls that is.

[GrahamD]

Originally Posted by stubmw

Perhaps........If the S10 is of similar quality, workmanship and material as the GS, Yamaha could show some corparate balls and price it way below the GS and bury BMW. Capture the market. These Japanese manufactors use to have this .......Balls that is.

They used to have a very low value YEN as well, it's not anymore.