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Old 10-21-2009, 12:18 PM   #496
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Holly shit!
This is my new bike!


ps. Anyone interested in a white 2009 Ten in, say, a year from now on?
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:24 PM   #497
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It would be worth looking at . if it didn't have that shaft drive .
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:31 PM   #498
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I'd prefer a chain drive and 21"/18" wheels but if they can keep the weight down under the KTM 990 Adventure...

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Old 10-21-2009, 12:34 PM   #499
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I'd prefer a chain drive and 21"/18" wheels but if they can keep the weight down under the KTM 990 Adventure...

I'm in the 19" front with shaft drive group please

Agree on the weight though
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:38 PM   #500
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There has been talk of the 1200 Yamaha for 1.5 years, catch up !

It will be direct competition for the Vradero, and Strom,
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Probably a road bike with very limited off-pavement capabilities.

A large manufacturer wouldn't waste their time competing with the 990. The production #'s wouldn't pay for the tooling, let alone turn a profit.
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Niche market guys, the bug manufacturers can't economically produce for such a market.



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Old 10-21-2009, 12:51 PM   #501
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It will probably be imported to the US in similar numbers to the 660 Tenere


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Old 10-21-2009, 01:01 PM   #502
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t--7bYzOERU

With a bit of luck there will be a shaft driven TDM1200 on its way soon.

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Old 10-21-2009, 01:13 PM   #503
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Laugh

For years I've heard these rumors and gotten my hopes up on Yamaha producing a beastly dual-sport, I hope this one is for real and shows up in the states in the next year or so. I would have to think that price will play in to this as well. I think they need to be less then the GS to get a foot hold in that market something around $13-15k msrp.
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:15 PM   #504
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:19 PM   #505
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For years I've heard these rumors and gotten my hopes up on Yamaha producing a beastly dual-sport, I hope this one is for real and shows up in the states in the next year or so. I would have to think that price will play in to this as well. I think they need to be less then the GS to get a foot hold in that market something around $13-15k msrp.
But can it compete at that price against the F800GS and KTM 990 Adventure...?
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:22 PM   #506
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Latest GS Revealed at Tokyo Show

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...s.html?image=1

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Old 10-21-2009, 01:24 PM   #507
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With the MSRP of the DL1000 V-Strom being $9,799...
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:59 PM   #508
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I believe BMW's strange front suspension has nothing to do with shaft drive, but it's to stop dive under braking. Yam, Guzzy etc use normal suspension with shaftdrive. For a road bike I see the benefits if your lazy, but I still don't like them. For offroad, I can't see any benefits that 'out weight' the weight of a shaftdrive.

Similar to the Duc Multistrada Adventurer singe sided swing arm, just added weight for no reason other than style. Completely pointless offroad.

I do not believe the front suspension has anything to do with the shaft-drive, but the computerized air rear damper
has. Anyway, I don't think a bmw GS has anything to do offroad. I agree with you that the only benefits with SD is: No mess, cheaper to maintain and, and...

I don't believe the new yamaha would outperform the Big KTM, but yamaha seems to have ambissions with this one.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:15 PM   #509
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Unified braking system? As in linked brakes? Offroad? No!

Someone on the team designing this needs to sit down with the people on the 450 team. I think they could learn a lot.

Looks like it might come with a ok bash plate factory? That would be a first. Wonder if those are real barkbusters or plastic junk.

Big gas tank, keep the weight down(350 tops), 65-70hp, chain drive, no hard plastic, protect the engine. 21/18 and good suspension... That's all I want!
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:15 PM   #510
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I think you are overthinking that one. The BMW SS1000 is not really much competition towards the Japanese domination of the race bike scene. BMW is no more competition, or threat, than Buel and BMW were already.

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I dunno Jim, I think the big 4 see that literbike area as their playground. With BMW using the GSXR to provide overall dimensions for the bike, and pricing it competitively with Japan, Inc., as well as racing against them, I think it is possible that war has been declared.

The motorcycle business is a pretty fully developed industry, and I think the market share of the manufacturers is fairly static year to year. Introducing a bike to capture sales from the competition and thereby directly reduce their market share is not going to happen in a vacuum. BMW has been very clear in their stated purpose for that bike, both in press releases and advertising campaigns. I have a feeling that being faced with declining sales for a couple years, the Japanese will be looking to compete wherever there is a pool of buyers. The adventure-touring segment has a pretty decent pool of people as evidencd by the various displacement GS sales over the years.

In the early 80's Honda got pissed at Yamaha trying to become the #1 seller of bikes in the world, something the chairman of Yamaha foolishly made public. That little episode ended with Honda dumping bikes on the market at ridiculous prices, and bringing Yamaha to the brink. It ended with the chairman of Yamaha being forced to personally apologize to the chairman of Honda. Similarly, in the late 90's, Honda got sick of Ducati winning all the WSBK & AMA races with rules it thought favored twins. Honda built the RC51 to prove it could beat Ducati at it's own game. Developing that bike must have come at great cost, but the motor was never used for anything else (other than the RC51), so Honda dumped all that cash to prove a point, and show Ducati who was boss.

I guess we'll see how it plays out, but I just don't think the Big 4 tolerate turf wars real well.

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