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Old 06-24-2012, 11:23 AM   #12736
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Yeah, you're right. I was focused on the rear mounting point because that's all I've ever heard of anyone having problems with. I'm looking forward to seeing your work-around. I think the hit would have to be pretty hard to break those lugs though, but better to avoid the possibility than have to worry about it.

So this seems like a pretty big issue. I'm new to the ADV bike world and I'm curious, is the S10 the only bike that uses the bottom of the engine as a mounting point for skid plates? Every other bike is set up to use the frame as attachment for their skid plates? How the hell does Yamaha justify this?
I think the current maxitrail don’t have frame under the engine so they have to fix the skid plates to the engine, this is a weak point of this bikes if you want to do off road. This is why I want to improve the ground clearance and have a proper skid plate.
I suppose as Dalara said they are building the bike mostly for road users. In the GS, is even worse because there is no alternative and the plate is fixed the motor with silent blocks. I have seen several GS strainer covers with holes where the silent blocks are fixed.
At least in the ST if the plate is large enough you can fix it in the frame, that's what I'd like to do in mine. Another problem is they are very heavy bikes so in a hard impact the skid plate moves and hits the strained cover. A thick foam between the plate and the engine to distribute the impact could be a good alternative

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Old 06-24-2012, 11:48 AM   #12737
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So... After a REALLY tough decision, I sold my first true love, my 99 Blackbird, to make way for my forthcoming Tenere.
A few years back I bought a DR650 and turned it into a mini adventure bike. In doing so, I found I am not nearly as adapt at offroad riding (nor do I love it as much as on road) as I am in the paved twisty bits. I truly enjoyed jaunts down gravel roads and dirt paths, but single-trak, rough or super soft stuff is not my forte'. I sold the DR through this site (and got all my advise and info prior to and during ownership here) some time ago, but totally loved the riding position over my Bird. I really want to get back to that style of bike!

That being said, I am negotiating with a few dealerships on a price and have my heart set on a Raven Tenere. Knowing I will rarely take it off road, I will not be throwing on the latest, greatest hard core off road farkles. My plan is to go with the Givi (previously owned another set on my 'Bird) Trekker setup, top and sides vs the Yamaha setup due to capacity and familiarity with Givi. I will be mounting some manner of Cruise lock, and the choices seem few. I will get a crash bar set of some sort (kinda like the look of the Yamaha crash bar due to variable mounting points for lights, removable highway pegs, etc). And likely a bash plate just in case. I already have Ram mount bits to transfer over.

In scanning the over 12000 posts here, it is impossible to read every one in the time I have, so, what are the must have farkles? Or must replace accessories/parts? And yes, I know this is subjective. I retire in 18 months and will be riding it to Alaska from Virginia.
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:01 PM   #12738
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It is very subjective, like you said. I've put 9000 miles on mine in 3 months (everything from 800 mile days on the freeway to actual trail riding) without a single modification. I'm out of the ordinary though.

Most like to modify the seat. There are a few free versions, and a few pay methods to adjusting the angle so it is more flat, as opposed to tilting a bit forward.

Many complain of buffeting and either add the Yamaha winglets, or more often, put an aftermarket shield or mount on.

Since you're going to Alaska, dirt/gravel roads are in your future, and a skid plate should be on your list. If all you're planning on hitting are dirt/gravel roads, then any brand will work perfectly. If you may see yourself in more technical terrain, where the skid plate may be bottoming out or being used heavily, than you want to avoid the Yamaha plate. The Altrider is well respected, and there are numerous other options.
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Old 06-24-2012, 02:19 PM   #12739
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Old 06-24-2012, 03:49 PM   #12740
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Hi Fellow XT1200Z owners

I was wondering if anyone has the installation guide for the Yamaha OEM side case mounting brackets. I was riding two up with the cases off and my passenger managed to knock off the rubber bumpers that the lower case mounting saddle go over.

I need the part number for the rubber bumpers if it one is listed on the installation sheet. Tried searching the parts catalog but it only deals with bike parts and not OEM accessory parts.

If you have these panniers, I'd suggest drilling a hole just below the bumpers and running a zip tie over the top of the bumpers to keep them on. Silicone glue like the instructions suggest is just not enough to keep them on when a passenger's foot hits them. End result... loose and saggy side cases.

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Old 06-24-2012, 03:53 PM   #12741
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As you can see in the pics, there are three dangerous points to break the engine. The two supports with bolt holes are the worst.
To break the cover it is not necessary a very strong hit at high speed. Apparently the breaking cover it was crossing a tree log. The bike weight is enough to fold the plate and break the engine cover.
Im thinking seriously to cut this supports and have a flat surface . In my skid plate we are going to reinforce this areas and have a thick foam.



I've yet to get a plate for mine. Now that there are several offered, what do you guys / gals think is the best one for the money here in the USA?

Thanks for any relies on this in advance.

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Old 06-24-2012, 04:10 PM   #12742
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:11 PM   #12743
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Hi Fellow XT1200Z owners

I was wondering if anyone has the installation guide for the Yamaha OEM side case mounting brackets. I was riding two up with the cases off and my passenger managed to knock off the rubber bumpers that the lower case mounting saddle go over.


I need the part number for the rubber bumpers if it one is listed on the installation sheet. Tried searching the parts catalog but it only deals with bike parts and not OEM accessory parts.


If you have these panniers, I'd suggest drilling a hole just below the bumpers and running a zip tie over the top of the bumpers to keep them on. Silicone glue like the instructions suggest is just not enough to keep them on when a passenger's foot hits them. End result... loose and saggy side cases.


AK Greg

Just for future reference, Yamaha calls those a "Side Case Bracket Rubber", and the part number is 5VS-W9753-00 on one Yamaha parts bag tag I have and 5VS-W9753-00-00 on another.

BTW, if that's hard to read the part number prefix is the numeral 5, then V as in Victor, S as in Sierra...

Unfortunately Yamaha considers them highly and as such they are pretty pricey, but you may find - as some of us have - that it's good to keep a couple of spares on-hand. Don't ask me how I know this...

I've got over 17,000 miles on my Super Tenere, and the best thing I've found so far to keep those rubbers in place is actually Yamaha's own handgrip cement, which is remarkably like your standard, everyday weatherstrip cement except it's a bit thinner... Oh, and pricey, too!

But I still carry two spares!

As an aside, I have an Altrider skidplate here, new still in the wrapper, but when I saw how it mounted up front - particularly the right front mount - I left it in the packaging and ordered a RumBux lower section only. The South African RumBux is the only one currently available besides Jaxon's RideOnADV monster plate that is entirely frame mounted. It doesn't mount to the engine at all. To me that seems the best solution. For that I think the new ACD plate will be a contender, too, once its development is completed and it gets into production.

Anyway, hope this helps!

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Old 06-24-2012, 04:40 PM   #12744
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I was wondering if anyone has the installation guide for the Yamaha OEM side case mounting brackets.
Sounds like you have your part nos, but here are the instructions if you need them; I hosted them for someone else a while back and they're still on the server.

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Old 06-24-2012, 05:02 PM   #12745
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I think the current maxitrail dont have frame under the engine so they have to fix the skid plates to the engine, this is a weak point of this bikes if you want to do off road. This is why I want to improve the ground clearance and have a proper skid plate.
I suppose as Dalara said they are building the bike mostly for road users. In the GS, is even worse because there is no alternative and the plate is fixed the motor with silent blocks. I have seen several GS strainer covers with holes where the silent blocks are fixed.
At least in the ST if the plate is large enough you can fix it in the frame, that's what I'd like to do in mine. Another problem is they are very heavy bikes so in a hard impact the skid plate moves and hits the strained cover. A thick foam between the plate and the engine to distribute the impact could be a good alternative

I still can't help but think that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Meaning that as the rider I'm going to try to keep my bike out of a situation where I might bottom out my engine on a curb or rock.

You are riding at a whole different level from me, I can see that in your videos! At the speeds you ride, you might not see the rock or the drop-off in time to avoid it. You definitely need a frame mounted plate.

If the price is right one day I may switch, just for that extra measure of security.
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:58 PM   #12746
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Which size fits the s10? 1 inch?
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Old 06-24-2012, 06:38 PM   #12747
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Old 06-24-2012, 11:39 PM   #12748
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Thanks Dallera for the part numbers, and WOW at their cost. By the time you add freight... $40.00. So in true ADV fashion I split two short lengths of 3/8" auto fuel hose and slipped them over the brackets. Works great! I'll just put them on each time the boxes go on.

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Old 06-25-2012, 12:25 AM   #12749
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I've yet to get a plate for mine. Now that there are several offered, what do you guys / gals think is the best one for the money here in the USA?

Thanks for any relies on this in advance.

AK Greg
As you said there is quite a big offer. Im in Europe and the prices could be different (normally more expensive!! ) but I think all the skid plates are similar priced.
Your choice depend if you want to do off road, if not all the plates could be ok and you could buy the cheapest.
For off road is more complicated, I would prefer the ones are fixed on the frame, as Dallara said I think the only ones are Rumbux, RideOnAv and the ACD with Im helping to develop and hope would de ready in one month aprox.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:36 AM   #12750
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I still can't help but think that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Meaning that as the rider I'm going to try to keep my bike out of a situation where I might bottom out my engine on a curb or rock.

You are riding at a whole different level from me, I can see that in your videos! At the speeds you ride, you might not see the rock or the drop-off in time to avoid it. You definitely need a frame mounted plate.

If the price is right one day I may switch, just for that extra measure of security.
I know in theory this bikes are not for this kind of riding but the Super Tnr is so good and easy to ride that is difficult to me not to try al kind of tracks.
Anyway, there are expensive bikes so to me any prevention worth it.
No idea of the price yet.
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